Dean_H
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I dont necessarily agree that Tax credit/Family allowance.
At the end of the day. I dont want any kids for the main reason i couldnt afford it and wouldnt really want to bring them into this world. But why should I pay for other peoples kids?
Anyway if the goverment chooses to help fair enough BUT
Why dont they give these families vouchers for food/clothes SO IT GOES TO THE KIDS
All this...
Tax credit
Family Allowance
In some cases is a farce.
Ok some families might spend all the money they get from tax credit and family allowance on their children, prehaps much more.
I have seen it first hand, someone i know closely is doing so well out of the system that she can afford to go out 3 TIMES A WEEK even though she is on a very low paid job, talking £8k a year. And she is a single parent.
Also i seen a Family on TV chat show who had 12 kids or summing, they were raking in £80,000 a year in benefits, thats with out the massive council house they had for free.
Its a joke. Do you seriously think that they spent £80k a year on their 12 kids. And both parents didnt work.
I personally think that the governent should abolish all these benefits and issue vouchers for....
Food
Clothes
School Equipment (books etc)
Lesuire
etc etc
So the parents who cream the system and dont give nothing to the kids cant get away with it.
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Charlene
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Doesnt all families get family allowance anyway?
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Charlene
Doesnt all families get family allowance anyway?
Yes
£60 a month each child?
I would prefer to see this in vouchers rather than £60 to be spent on carling.
Tax credits is where the money is at.
Someone i know has 2 kids and is a single parent is getting £160 a week on tax credits alone + other things...
So your talking £10-14,000 a year
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
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Katie
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My mum gets family tax credit, she is a single parent but works two jobs 40 hours a week and gets taxed alot. Even with the money she earns she hardly spends anything on herself, and the tax credit often goes on paying bills. Alot of families probably do abuse it, but the genuine ones do need it.
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Katie
My mum gets family tax credit, she is a single parent but works two jobs 40 hours a week and gets taxed alot. Even with the money she earns she hardly spends anything on herself, and the tax credit often goes on paying bills. Alot of families probably do abuse it, but the genuine ones do need it.
I am not doubting the fact that there are alot of genuine people out there, but also there are alot of people that abuse the system.
I know the cost of living is expensive but its bad when you gotta use the money from tax credit/family allowance to pay bills of running the home.
Fair enough use the money for the childrens food/clothes bills etc
This is where i think that vouchers of some sort should come in.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
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Katie
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Why is that bad? Me and stephen both lived at home rent free. We both said that mum could use the money on bills to run a home that her children live in. I don't see a problem in that, it's not being squandered, it's being spent sensibly.
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Dean_H
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Even if you got kids or not, the general running costs of running the home are going to be (roughly) the same.
The only thing that will cost more in the total outgoings of the home will be
more money spent on food
more money spent on childrens clothes
childrens hobbies etc etc
So why should tax credits/family allowance money be used for mortgage payments etc etc rather than what it should be used for which is (food, clothes, hobbies, misc etc)
If you cant afford to run a home and accept that it costs roughly £1500-2000 to run a home each month WITHOUT children!
DONT HAVE CHILDEN
I know cirumstances change Katie, like you said your mother is a single parent. And im not having a go, its just the certain amount of families that take the piss, like i said in the first post.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
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Charlene
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If the money wasnt being used to a create a home for the child or wasnt being looked after properly then fair enough but most families use it for running the house etc, why spend it all on the child then the child will be classed as spoilt, i dont see any harm as it is still used to house the child etc
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Katie
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That's what i think aswell, when you have children Dean_H you will undertsand.
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Kerry
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just something to remember
tax credits bring your income back up to what a full time wage would be if you cant work full time due to kids.
This means that the person claiming will more than likely not be eligble for housing benefit, council tax benefit ect
Surely better than being on income support and getting everything totally paid for?
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Paul H
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quote:
Originally posted by Kerry
just something to remember
tax credits bring your income back up to what a full time wage would be if you cant work full time due to kids.
This means that the person claiming will more than likely not be eligble for housing benefit, council tax benefit ect
Surely better than being on income support and getting everything totally paid for?
well said kerry.
also there is the fact that when you both work you have to pay for childcare which is around £25 a day so tax credits don't really do squat
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_H
I dont necessarily agree that Tax credit/Family allowance.
At the end of the day. I dont want any kids for the main reason i couldnt afford it and wouldnt really want to bring them into this world. But why should I pay for other peoples kids?
Anyway if the goverment chooses to help fair enough BUT
Why dont they give these families vouchers for food/clothes SO IT GOES TO THE KIDS
All this...
Tax credit
Family Allowance
In some cases is a farce.
Ok some families might spend all the money they get from tax credit and family allowance on their children, prehaps much more.
I have seen it first hand, someone i know closely is doing so well out of the system that she can afford to go out 3 TIMES A WEEK even though she is on a very low paid job, talking £8k a year. And she is a single parent.
Also i seen a Family on TV chat show who had 12 kids or summing, they were raking in £80,000 a year in benefits, thats with out the massive council house they had for free.
Its a joke. Do you seriously think that they spent £80k a year on their 12 kids. And both parents didnt work.
I personally think that the governent should abolish all these benefits and issue vouchers for....
Food
Clothes
School Equipment (books etc)
Lesuire
etc etc
So the parents who cream the system and dont give nothing to the kids cant get away with it.
Opinions?
IMHO your a tit
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Katie
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_H
Even if you got kids or not, the general running costs of running the home are going to be (roughly) the same.
The only thing that will cost more in the total outgoings of the home will be
more money spent on food
more money spent on childrens clothes
childrens hobbies etc etc
So why should tax credits/family allowance money be used for mortgage payments etc etc rather than what it should be used for which is (food, clothes, hobbies, misc etc)
If you cant afford to run a home and accept that it costs roughly £1500-2000 to run a home each month WITHOUT children!
DONT HAVE CHILDEN
I know cirumstances change Katie, like you said your mother is a single parent. And im not having a go, its just the certain amount of families that take the piss, like i said in the first post.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
But you still said that it is bad that people spend it on bills for the house?? So what if people do, bills aren't a luxury  not like it's going on clothes for my mum etc! It's so that me n my brother have a house to live in.
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
IMHO your a tit
Fuck off, its my opinion.
Ive been reading these forums for 3 years, AND you are the biggest cock ive ever met. Have a shave u ugly fucker
And if you are not going to reply to my post correctly by saying why you think my opinion is wrong. DO NOT answer to any of my posts on the forum. A forum is used to discuss many things and if all you can do is abuse many users if you dont agree, well i dont know why your still here.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Katie
But you still said that it is bad that people spend it on bills for the house?? So what if people do, bills aren't a luxury not like it's going on clothes for my mum etc! It's so that me n my brother have a house to live in.
I just think that you should be able to afford to run a house with out the need of dipping into Family Allowance.
Just my opinion....
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Charlene
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Just wait until you have children then you will see
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Charlene
Just wait until you have children then you will see
Yea before i have children i will make sure i can afford to run a home with out the need to rely on noone.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by Dean_H]
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Charlene
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I dont see how getting family allowance is relying on anyone, if your working your paying tax etc so its not like your getting money for nothing
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ssj_kakarot
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well regardless of all the for and againsts, you cant argue that this country is or has become heavily reliant on benifits of course this does not apply to every one, but it takes the piss when people who i went to school with and a lot of people i know from friends friends ect actually choose to have a kid early so they basically dont have to achieve any thing in there life.
i meen its really easy isnt it, you can go out and actually try to better your self and focus on a career through what ever options there are avalible e.g school, college , aprentiships ect or simply get pregnant to some one and get everything paid for.
seems a lot of this generations teens seem to be choosing the easier option, which meens that the next generation will choose this to as they see it as an acceptable way of living.
[Edited on 12-11-2005 by ssj_kakarot]
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Charlene
I dont see how getting family allowance is relying on anyone, if your working your paying tax etc so its not like your getting money for nothing
Well if some of the family allowance money is used to pay the mortgauge it is relying on it aint it.
If i had a kid, all that family allowance will be going directly to him/her.
I read a post earlier on that if you gave all the money to the kid thats spoiling it.
I cant belive i read that. You dont have to give all the money to the kid. Why not put some money each month that you dont spend on food/clothes etc towards its future.
When he/she turnes 21, it will have a great start in life with money behind him/her to pay off uni fees/start a home etc etc
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Charlene
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Well how do you know thats isnt being doing, your just jumping to conclusions, it was me who said that, from your first posts you sound like you meant give it all to the child in that month which is spoiling is getting it toys etc, where it is a different matter with clothes and savings
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Charlene
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Also why is it relying on it when your entitled to the money anyway so some people be needing it to pay morgage, but this is keeping the child housed so it is benefical for the child
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Charlene
Well how do you know thats isnt being doing, your just jumping to conclusions, it was me who said that, from your first posts you sound like you meant give it all to the child in that month which is spoiling is getting it toys etc, where it is a different matter with clothes and savings
Sorry if i didnt explain myself correctly.
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Charlene
Also why is it relying on it when your entitled to the money anyway so some people be needing it to pay morgage, but this is keeping the child housed so it is benefical for the child
We are just going around in circles here...
I can see where your coming from.... and i can see your point.
But i just think your should be able to afford to run a home before having children. Simple as that.
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Kerry
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what about if one parent dies?
circumstances do change
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