Rob126
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just got an coolermaster aerogate II for my pc... and the CPU is flactuating between 57 and 62 degrees depending on how much it is working. as soon as it reaches 62 degrees it clashes! just maybe it good to know that i have a 4cm fan, 4 8cm fans and a 12cm fan. plus one side of the case is left abit open to let more air in and out.
is this normal in any way? and how can i solve it? was thinkin of a PSU ungrade.
(cannot add more fanns coz it already sound like a truck)
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Dan B
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Leaving one side of the case open, there's a bad start - the sides should be on, because that way the air-flow uniformly travels through the case and cools all components. With a side off, cooling air travels in through the fans then out through the side, without cooling anything, plus you're letting large amounts of dust in.
Also, check the configuration of the fans. Ideally, air-flow should come in at the bottom-front of the case, and be expelled at the top-back of the case, and there should be no "stale" air-flow positions (it's not just a case of slapping a few extra fans in and hoping they cool it down more).
If you can get a PSU with a fan underneath aswell, that will help to suck hot air up and expel it from the rear-mounted fan (and, since in most cases, the CPU is mounted just below the PSU, that should remove quite a bit of hot air).
Also, what CPU are you running, since AMD chips do tend to run a little hotter than Pentium? Although, since you mention it crashes at 62 degrees, I'm guessing it's not an AMD (I used to have one that idled at 55-60 degrees).
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hi Rob, i used to have a overheating problem with my AMD Athlon. Its not overclocked, but in the summer it used to hit 62degrees and the machine would beep loudly telling me thats too high. anything above 60 for any amount of time will damage the chip. I resolved this by fitting a fan at the front at bottom to suck cool air in, and fitted a new dual fan PSU which sucks hot air from the inside and blows it out the back at the top. Also have one more fan at the back extracting hot air. Fan on CPU is a Thermaltake Volcano9. its a wee bit noisy but it chills it to fook.Temps dont go above 55 under heavy loads now.
Your setup does sound a bit dodgy, you shouldnt need that many fans, you are problem creating inversions inside because the air is being buffeted around and not allowed to escape. Also try looking at getting a HDD cooler, since HDD's run very hot these days.
AMD's do run hot naturally, but 60+ is too much.
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Bart
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it shouldnt matter if it his 62 degrees, thats no where near its limit.
Did you install your CPU yourself? im wondering if any thermal paste has been used?
The CPU Temps are as follows:
AMD Athlon Series
AMD Athlon (socket) upto 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Athlon (slot) all speeds
70°C
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon MP 1.33Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon XP 1.33Ghz+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred upto 2100+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred over 2100+
85°C
AMD Athlon XP Barton
85°C
AMD Athlon 64
70°C
AMD Athlon 64 (Socket 939, 1.4 volts)
65°C
AMD Athlon 64 FX
70°C
AMD Sempron
AMD Sempron (T-bred/Barton core)
90°C
AMD Sempron (Paris core)
70°C
AMD Duron Series
AMD Duron up to 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Duron 1Ghz+
90°C
AMD Duron Applebred
85°C
AMD K6 Series
AMD K6/K6-2/K6-III (All except below)
70°C
AMD K6-2/K6-III (model number ending in X)
65°C
AMD K6-2+/K6-III+
85°C
Intel Pentium III Series
Pentium III Slot 1 500-866Mhz
80°C
Pentium III Slot and socket 933Mhz
75°C
Pentium III Slot 1 1Ghz
60-70°C depending on model
Pentium III Slot 1 1.13Ghz
62°C
Intel Celeron Series
Intel Celeron 266-433Mhz
85°C
Intel Celeron 466-533Mhz
70°C
Intel Celeron 566-600Mhz (Coppermine)
90°C
Intel Celeron 633-667Mhz
82°C
Intel Celeron 700Mhz+
80°C
Intel Pentium II
Pentium II 1st Generation
72-75°C
Pentium II 2nd Generation 266-333
65°C
Pentium II 350-400Mhz
75°C
Pentium II 450Mhz
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quote:
Originally posted by Bart
it shouldnt matter if it his 62 degrees, thats no where near its limit.
Did you install your CPU yourself? im wondering if any thermal paste has been used?
The CPU Temps are as follows:
AMD Athlon Series
AMD Athlon (socket) upto 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Athlon (slot) all speeds
70°C
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon MP 1.33Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon XP 1.33Ghz+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred upto 2100+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred over 2100+
85°C
AMD Athlon XP Barton
85°C
AMD Athlon 64
70°C
AMD Athlon 64 (Socket 939, 1.4 volts)
65°C
AMD Athlon 64 FX
70°C
AMD Sempron
AMD Sempron (T-bred/Barton core)
90°C
AMD Sempron (Paris core)
70°C
AMD Duron Series
AMD Duron up to 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Duron 1Ghz+
90°C
AMD Duron Applebred
85°C
AMD K6 Series
AMD K6/K6-2/K6-III (All except below)
70°C
AMD K6-2/K6-III (model number ending in X)
65°C
AMD K6-2+/K6-III+
85°C
Intel Pentium III Series
Pentium III Slot 1 500-866Mhz
80°C
Pentium III Slot and socket 933Mhz
75°C
Pentium III Slot 1 1Ghz
60-70°C depending on model
Pentium III Slot 1 1.13Ghz
62°C
Intel Celeron Series
Intel Celeron 266-433Mhz
85°C
Intel Celeron 466-533Mhz
70°C
Intel Celeron 566-600Mhz (Coppermine)
90°C
Intel Celeron 633-667Mhz
82°C
Intel Celeron 700Mhz+
80°C
Intel Pentium II
Pentium II 1st Generation
72-75°C
Pentium II 2nd Generation 266-333
65°C
Pentium II 350-400Mhz
75°C
Pentium II 450Mhz
Where did you get all those figures  i have seen scorch marks appear on processors at 80 
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Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by Bart
it shouldnt matter if it his 62 degrees, thats no where near its limit.
Did you install your CPU yourself? im wondering if any thermal paste has been used?
The CPU Temps are as follows:
AMD Athlon Series
AMD Athlon (socket) upto 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Athlon (slot) all speeds
70°C
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon MP 1.33Ghz+
95°C
AMD Athlon XP 1.33Ghz+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred upto 2100+
90°C
AMD Athlon XP T-Bred over 2100+
85°C
AMD Athlon XP Barton
85°C
AMD Athlon 64
70°C
AMD Athlon 64 (Socket 939, 1.4 volts)
65°C
AMD Athlon 64 FX
70°C
AMD Sempron
AMD Sempron (T-bred/Barton core)
90°C
AMD Sempron (Paris core)
70°C
AMD Duron Series
AMD Duron up to 1Ghz
90°C
AMD Duron 1Ghz+
90°C
AMD Duron Applebred
85°C
AMD K6 Series
AMD K6/K6-2/K6-III (All except below)
70°C
AMD K6-2/K6-III (model number ending in X)
65°C
AMD K6-2+/K6-III+
85°C
Intel Pentium III Series
Pentium III Slot 1 500-866Mhz
80°C
Pentium III Slot and socket 933Mhz
75°C
Pentium III Slot 1 1Ghz
60-70°C depending on model
Pentium III Slot 1 1.13Ghz
62°C
Intel Celeron Series
Intel Celeron 266-433Mhz
85°C
Intel Celeron 466-533Mhz
70°C
Intel Celeron 566-600Mhz (Coppermine)
90°C
Intel Celeron 633-667Mhz
82°C
Intel Celeron 700Mhz+
80°C
Intel Pentium II
Pentium II 1st Generation
72-75°C
Pentium II 2nd Generation 266-333
65°C
Pentium II 350-400Mhz
75°C
Pentium II 450Mhz
WTF!! a P4 chip will fry itself at anything over 55 degrees
Are yuo sure that shouldnt be fareinheit
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Bart
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that manufacture maximum temps:
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/CPU/CPU%20Temperatures.shtml
Perhaps that is internal temperatures then. i know inside it can reach that temp for definate.
Another source:
http://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpuprices/aaxp.htm
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CPU sounds buggered to me  Have you been doing any overclocking laterly?
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Rob126
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10x all for the replies.... just to explain somethings
the fans are set to have to lower one put air in and the ones on top (inc. the 12cm fan) to expell air.
the side isn't totally open it just unskrewed and has a 3cm gap at the top so that hot air can go out easily. since i did this the 12cm fan was move to the bottom and is letting air in while an 8cm fan expells air instead of the 12cm.
and btw. its an athlon 2400+
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Rob126
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no. no overclocking
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Skinz
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set more fans to be blowing inwards, its probably creating a weak vacuum in there where the hot air will fester
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Rob126
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currently i have 3blowing inwards (12cm, 2x8cm) and 3blowing out (2x8cm + 5cm + the ggap in the case)
all fans are on full revs controled by the coolermaster which allows to set the speed of each fan
plus theres a fan in the room directed exactly on it! 
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Rob126]
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Bart
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Rob did you fit the CPU yourself?
I would check to see if there is any thermal paste/pad between the chip and the heat sink.
If not then that is your problem.
If there is none, then the temp of the CPU wont be able to discipate onto the heatsink.
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Bart]
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Rob126
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i think there is... i fitted it a yr and a half ago.
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Rob126
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was actually thinking about getting some water cooling system. seem to be quite efficient. what do you think?
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Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by Bart
Rob did you fit the CPU yourself?
I would check to see if there is any thermal paste/pad between the chip and the heat sink.
If not then that is your problem.
If there is none, then the temp of the CPU wont be able to discipate onto the heatsink.
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Bart]
CPU paste is a thing of the past with modern processors/heatsinks, you dont need to apply this anymore, only if your overclocking and you need to get rid of much heat as possible.
I am currently running my p4 3ghz at 3.4 with standard cooling, no cpu paste and standard heatsink and it runs at a steady 45 degrees
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Rob126
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right now im at 53degrees and im simply chattin on msn! as soon as i start using photoshop or something of the sort and even games. it rises to 62 and stops working
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Skinz
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are you sure the heatsink is mounted flush with the processor? might need to check that
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Rob126
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yeah it is... just checked!
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Bart
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
CPU paste is a thing of the past with modern processors/heatsinks, you dont need to apply this anymore, only if your overclocking and you need to get rid of much heat as possible.
I am currently running my p4 3ghz at 3.4 with standard cooling, no cpu paste and standard heatsink and it runs at a steady 45 degrees
Well good luck to you my friend.. take a read.. about 4/5 posts down:
http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165095&highlight=THERMAL
or here:
http://www.devhardware.com/forums/archive/t-10831/Using-Thermal-Paste
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Bart]
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PaulW
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
quote:
Originally posted by Bart
Rob did you fit the CPU yourself?
I would check to see if there is any thermal paste/pad between the chip and the heat sink.
If not then that is your problem.
If there is none, then the temp of the CPU wont be able to discipate onto the heatsink.
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Bart]
CPU paste is a thing of the past with modern processors/heatsinks, you dont need to apply this anymore, only if your overclocking and you need to get rid of much heat as possible.
I am currently running my p4 3ghz at 3.4 with standard cooling, no cpu paste and standard heatsink and it runs at a steady 45 degrees
your joking right??
regardless of CPU / Heatsink combo, whether its overclocked or not, you should ALWAYS use some thermal compound of some sort!
Thermal compound will help transfer around 35-40% more heat than non at all & it also fills in any imperfections on the casting of the heatsink & also any which may reside on the CPU core or heatspreader, regardless if its lapped to a mirror-finish...
and it does make a difference...
AMD XP-M 2600+ (testing results of my own) IDLE/LOAD C
Standard AMD Chip Cooler (2800+ Rated)
166x12 @ 1.4v - no thermal compound - 46/58 (unstable)
166x12 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 41/49
CopperStorm 2 CPU Cooler (28CFM Fan)
166x12 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 39/48
200x10 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 42/50
215x11.5 @ 1.5v - AMD's own thermal compound - 44/53
210x11 @ 1.45v - ArticSilver 5 - 37/44
215x11.5 @ 1.5v - ArticSilver 5 - 39/47
These are all die-temps. Currently playing about with phase cooling, and depending on what compound I use it seriously does affect cooling, CPU with normal thermal compound was -19C idle and -11C load at 220x12.5, but with better compound I was seeing -24C idle & -17C load.
I will break 3ghz though with my 2600+ chip (originally rated at 166x12 = 1992MHz)
BUT as the original problem, check make sure that the cooler is sitting securely on the CPU & also that its not at an angle... And make sure you dnt put too much compound on it, you only need a layer over the CPU of about 1mm thick, any more & it will perform much worser!
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by PaulW]
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
I am currently running my p4 3ghz at 3.4 with standard cooling, no cpu paste and standard heatsink and it runs at a steady 45 degrees
Seriously fella, i wouldnt even dream of turning my PC on if i knew there was nothing between my heatsink and chip!
i really would go out and get some 
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
quote:
Originally posted by Bart
Rob did you fit the CPU yourself?
I would check to see if there is any thermal paste/pad between the chip and the heat sink.
If not then that is your problem.
If there is none, then the temp of the CPU wont be able to discipate onto the heatsink.
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by Bart]
CPU paste is a thing of the past with modern processors/heatsinks, you dont need to apply this anymore, only if your overclocking and you need to get rid of much heat as possible.
I am currently running my p4 3ghz at 3.4 with standard cooling, no cpu paste and standard heatsink and it runs at a steady 45 degrees
your joking right??
regardless of CPU / Heatsink combo, whether its overclocked or not, you should ALWAYS use some thermal compound of some sort!
Thermal compound will help transfer around 35-40% more heat than non at all & it also fills in any imperfections on the casting of the heatsink & also any which may reside on the CPU core or heatspreader, regardless if its lapped to a mirror-finish...
and it does make a difference...
AMD XP-M 2600+ (testing results of my own) IDLE/LOAD C
Standard AMD Chip Cooler (2800+ Rated)
166x12 @ 1.4v - no thermal compound - 46/58 (unstable)
166x12 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 41/49
CopperStorm 2 CPU Cooler (28CFM Fan)
166x12 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 39/48
200x10 @ 1.4v - AMD's own thermal compound - 42/50
215x11.5 @ 1.5v - AMD's own thermal compound - 44/53
210x11 @ 1.45v - ArticSilver 5 - 37/44
215x11.5 @ 1.5v - ArticSilver 5 - 39/47
These are all die-temps. Currently playing about with phase cooling, and depending on what compound I use it seriously does affect cooling, CPU with normal thermal compound was -19C idle and -11C load at 220x12.5, but with better compound I was seeing -24C idle & -17C load.
I will break 3ghz though with my 2600+ chip (originally rated at 166x12 = 1992MHz)
BUT as the original problem, check make sure that the cooler is sitting securely on the CPU & also that its not at an angle... And make sure you dnt put too much compound on it, you only need a layer over the CPU of about 1mm thick, any more & it will perform much worser!
[Edited on 30-06-2005 by PaulW]
Seriously cpu paste is not a vital necessity ona modern cpu, not saying its not recommended, anything to aid cooling is advisable, but its certainly not vital on todays chips, and not putting any on wont cause overheating as discussed above
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Seriously cpu paste is not a vital necessity ona modern cpu, not saying its not recommended, anything to aid cooling is advisable, but its certainly not vital on todays chips, and not putting any on wont cause overheating as discussed above
I'm sorry but I never would consider not putting paste on a new install of a CPU. I'd doubt the shop will accept the return of a £250+ item for the sake of the purchaser not using any thermal compound.
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SetH
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Isnt air cooling generally a waste of time in the summer? Asides from having a decent heatsink/fan on your cpu.
Think Super Si was doing a watercooled setup, might be worth speaking to him.
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