dave17
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jus thought of a new concept for a website, and i think it has the potential to be huge!!
ive designed a few websites before but unsure on how to go about making a serious one? ive only used frontpage to design pages, but what do most people use?
the site consists of filling in forms, uploading pictures. these details will then be searchable on the site. by name, region, age, sex, etc etc.
how do i go about it all?
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Dom
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notepad, php, SQL database 
and thats what i use, except i use HTML Pad instead of notepad just to colour everything nicely 
edit - oh and photoshop etc to do graphics 
[Edited on 23-02-2005 by Dom]
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TimS
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you mean faceparty?
Be hard to do using frontpage or without a reasonable understanding of "web" lanaguges
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MarkW
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Dreamweaver for a start, then lots of backend coding - Jodi_the_g , Tim, Ian, Dom & cybermonkey i think all have a fair idea
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TimS
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agreed, note pad is the best, SQL would be the best way as well.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by TimS
you mean faceparty?
Be hard to do using frontpage or without a reasonable understanding of "web" lanaguges
im guessing more of an hot or not website, or a dating site
edit - as for backend server side languages, obviously php would be better, but if you arnt worried about speed and just want some easy then go for ASP which is basicaly basic language but for websites - really easy to learn, and to debug as well unlike php/perl etc (its a pain when you miss a } and you have to go through hundreds of lines hunting for it )
[Edited on 23-02-2005 by Dom]
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TimS
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guess so
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dave17
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its a bit like faceparty yes. but with a new concept
just checked the domain id want and its avaliable too!!
would i be better off paying some1 to make this site for me? or would it not be THAT hard? ive done courses in Graphic design so im very familiar with Photoshop.
its just the searching and uploading part im unsure about being able to do.....
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TimS
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I would imgaine without know all the details it would be fairly expensive if you paided anyone ot do it.
Might be best reading up on php, sql and getting a basci understanding and having a go yourself.
Then maybe pay a company to tweat it.
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dave17
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so what software uses ASP then?
i am good at learning stuff, jus need to know where to start
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dave17
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i kno what i want, and how i want it to work, its jus going about it.......
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave17
its a bit like faceparty yes. but with a new concept
just checked the domain id want and its avaliable too!!
would i be better off paying some1 to make this site for me? or would it not be THAT hard? ive done courses in Graphic design so im very familiar with Photoshop.
its just the searching and uploading part im unsure about being able to do.....
uploading is a simple upload script, which you dumb either into a Database as a BLOB (use double the amount of space though) or as a file onto the server inself then record the filename in the database/table - then just add the info into the same table as well.
Then its a simple case of creating a form to search on a particular thing, and do a search in the database and print the results to screen
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John
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www.hosting-group.co.uk could host it for you
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dave17
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so this seems simple to a few of you then?
i made this site YEARS ago, and that didnt take me long:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/djbusta/front2.htm
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TimS
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
quote:
Originally posted by Dave17
its a bit like faceparty yes. but with a new concept
just checked the domain id want and its avaliable too!!
would i be better off paying some1 to make this site for me? or would it not be THAT hard? ive done courses in Graphic design so im very familiar with Photoshop.
its just the searching and uploading part im unsure about being able to do.....
uploading is a simple upload script, which you dumb either into a Database as a BLOB (use double the amount of space though) or as a file onto the server inself then record the filename in the database/table - then just add the info into the same table as well.
Then its a simple case of creating a form to search on a particular thing, and do a search in the database and print the results to screen
Agreed but if you want a backend with payment method (which i imagine is the idea) etc its a bit harder
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TimS
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must admit i like the buttons on that site.
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dave17
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i haven even thought about payment. i doubt i would charge to use the site, as that would take away the fun of it.....
i would probably have to run the site from my own funds, and IF it got popular, think about advertising etc.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave17
so what software uses ASP then?
i am good at learning stuff, jus need to know where to start
languages can be written in anything mate, notepad etc etc ASP is microsofts language - based on Visual Basic, which is based on Basic. So with this you need a windows server and there usually more expensive etc.
Php/Perl are based on C and although a pain in the arse to learn and debug, its generally faster and you can do more 'things' without having to install components like ASP etc PHP is linux servers (99% of the time) and therefore cheap hosting etc
if you go ASP, then just install IIS on your pc and you away. IF you want PHP, install PHP and IIS on your pc. Install MySQL aswell, then grab a copy of MySQL-Front to give you an Access style interface to the sql databases
its all depends what learning curve you want and what you think would benifit etc
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave17
i haven even thought about payment. i doubt i would charge to use the site, as that would take away the fun of it.....
i would probably have to run the site from my own funds, and IF it got popular, think about advertising etc.
payments systems in both PHP (or Perl)/ASP are just about the same - all abit of a bastard
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dave17
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dom sign in on msn if u can pls mate.
TBH im after a simple fix to get the site going, if it picks up, then il look into giving it a revamp?
thinking about it, i could sell merchandise for the site too!!!
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TimS
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Tell me about it, i been at work on my own all week as the web person is out and i being trying to do a online shop for etrxa brownie point, left it in the end.
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Neil
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkW
Dreamweaver for a start, then lots of backend coding - Jodi_the_g , Tim, Ian, Dom & cybermonkey i think all have a fair idea
As do I. 
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Laney
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quote:
Originally posted by NeilM
quote:
Originally posted by MarkW
Dreamweaver for a start, then lots of backend coding - Jodi_the_g , Tim, Ian, Dom & cybermonkey i think all have a fair idea
As do I.
And sometimes I actually know what I'm talking about
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dave17
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woo been talkin this thru with dom, and it seems like it could work
a bit complicated seems i dont know PHP, but i dont have a job, so can teach myself
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Ian
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If you're serious about making it large you'll need to consider your hosting outlay, which if you're not taking money in will be a cost to yourself.
In order to take money in you need to be big enough, bit of a catch 22.
If you can stomach a few grand worth of bills in the first year you'll easily make that back in years two and three.
So far as the programming goes it sounds like you're a long way off, you need to get lots of experience of small scripts and projects before you even consider coding a thing like that from scratch. It took me a fair bit of time to code the garage and that was an addition to existing templates, data structure, functions etc.
You also need a well specced server and I dont necessarily mean speed, if you're uploading images you need to make system calls to resize and thumb them. We were only able to do this when we got our own dedicated hardware which on top of the bandwidth charges is of course another few k of expense.
Having that said, the concept is sound. Faceparty certainly don't do badly and I think with an edge there's room for another one.
You have choices and the first one you'll need to make straight away is whether to programme it in ASP (Microsoft) or PHP which is a less commercial language. I personally prefer PHP which is what CS is written in although it is possible to upload files in ASP, done that as well. Didn't resize them though as they weren't images. I'm sure you can.
You'll need to know a limited amount of SQL as well, this is the query language for the database, you'll use this in both as the queries will be pretty much identical regardless of what programming language you use. You don't need to go too indepth with this but enough knowledge to query efficiently is good. You don't want to slow the system down by having a poor and inefficient database.
There is then the twist that images can either be stored directly in the database as a thing called a BLOB - binary large object, or a file on the drive. BLOBS offer far greater control over the file, less opportunity for things to go out of sync, but they're also loads slower.
Files on the drive (as CS does) is quicker but there needs to be extra coding to make sure the database of cars keeps up with the file structure of car images.
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