Dean_H
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Im an average size, 5ft 9 and weigh 11 stone.
After a good xmas i thought enough is enough im getting fit and wanna look alot leaner, basically i want to lose fat and put on muscle and stay roughly 11-12ish stone.
I have started swimming as ive heard this is a good exercise to get toned all over really and i will be going back to the gym when i get this week over.
Back onto my question, if i do not see any results after swimming and going to the gym 2-3 times a week and eating VERY heathily, fruits etc etc tuna here and there even tho i dont like it and no shitty foods at all and only 2-3 pints of lager a week. If i dont see any improvement in me by may/june i am thinking of taking creatine ready for my hollidays in september.
My main worries are the side affects of using it? Long term affects and is there any point of taking it and will you see any gains in using it for around 2 months?
Shall i just take the safe but not so good protein supplements?
Cheers
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Dean_H]
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Fraser Young
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No problems health wise etc from taking it at all really.
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Jodi_the_g
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Common Creatine Side Effects
Okay, so you now know that there's probably no adverse side effect of creatine, but here are some effects of creatine you will notice physically:
You'll feel stronger, more powerful, and will have much more energy and longevity during workouts.
You'll start to notice that your body (muscles) is fuller and bigger - partly due to some water retention (a createin side effect), and mostly gain in muscle mass.
You may find that your muscles are not as 'hard' due to the water retention; however, I did not find this noticeable very much.
When you exercise intensely, you'll find that the 'screeching' pain (due to build up of lactic acid) won't bother you nearly as much!
You'll have noticeably more energy and 'bursting' power during workouts - you'll be able to lift slightly heavier weights and feel less fatigue.
Can cause kidney stones in some rare cases
You may notice some gas and bloating
Some concerns lie in the unknown effects of creatine supplementation on the heart, as its also a muscle (this area still lacks research)
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Jodi_the_g]
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Jodi_the_g
Common Creatine Side Effects
Okay, so you now know that there's probably no adverse side effect of creatine, but here are some effects of creatine you will notice physically:
You'll feel stronger, more powerful, and will have much more energy and longevity during workouts.
You'll start to notice that your body (muscles) is fuller and bigger - partly due to some water retention (a createin side effect), and mostly gain in muscle mass.
You may find that your muscles are not as 'hard' due to the water retention; however, I did not find this noticeable very much.
When you exercise intensely, you'll find that the 'screeching' pain (due to build up of lactic acid) won't bother you nearly as much!
You'll have noticeably more energy and 'bursting' power during workouts - you'll be able to lift slightly heavier weights and feel less fatigue.
Can cause kidney stones in some rare cases
You may notice some gas and bloating
Some concerns lie in the unknown effects of creatine supplementation on the heart, as its also a muscle (this area still lacks research)
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Jodi_the_g]
Are there any creatine manufactures that have a good reputation, i would much rather have a safer creatine with the keast amount of side affects. Rather than having stronger creatine and f00king up your body.
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Jodi_the_g
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No idea i knicked that off a website, i never taken it just exercise.
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barry_kellett99
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quote:
Originally posted by Jodi_the_g
Common Creatine Side Effects
Okay, so you now know that there's probably no adverse side effect of creatine, but here are some effects of creatine you will notice physically:
You'll feel stronger, more powerful, and will have much more energy and longevity during workouts.
You'll start to notice that your body (muscles) is fuller and bigger - partly due to some water retention (a createin side effect), and mostly gain in muscle mass.
You may find that your muscles are not as 'hard' due to the water retention; however, I did not find this noticeable very much.
When you exercise intensely, you'll find that the 'screeching' pain (due to build up of lactic acid) won't bother you nearly as much!
You'll have noticeably more energy and 'bursting' power during workouts - you'll be able to lift slightly heavier weights and feel less fatigue.
Can cause kidney stones in some rare cases
You may notice some gas and bloating
Some concerns lie in the unknown effects of creatine supplementation on the heart, as its also a muscle (this area still lacks research)
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Jodi_the_g]
This sounds good for my intended use for football
Several sprints with no rest period seriously causes said screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!
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vibrio
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creatine = water retention
taken with carbs around 30% of people get better recovery.
apart from that its usless unless you want water retention
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Fraser Young
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p.s. my comment bout health effects in my opinion as a med. professional.
(well half a degree as yet, lol)
As a consumer i have taken it for few months and didnt do much for me, though i swear by protein supplements, am now 14st 6lb 
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Fwaza esquire]
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
creatine = water retention
taken with carbs around 30% of people get better recovery.
apart from that its usless unless you want water retention
Unfortunately i hear this more than the first bit
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vibrio
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Originally posted by Fwaza esquire
p.s. my comment bout health effects in my opinion as a med. professional.
(well half a degree as yet, lol)
As a consumer i have taken it for few months and didnt do much for me, though i swear by protein supplements, am now 14st 6lb
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Fwaza esquire]
your a med student 
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Rocky
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dean mate dont take that boss at all keep to youe protein supplements, as i did i ganied loads mate and weight and fatigue, there is nothing like a good hard work out as u gain muscles that do something and not show something if u get me swimming is really good mate rowing and running all good for me mate went from 9.5 stone to 11stone in aabout 9 months, due to work matters as iam a funiture removal man i always get a good work out thus dont need gym a lot now hope this helps dean
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Dean_H
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quote:
Originally posted by Fwaza esquire
p.s. my comment bout health effects in my opinion as a med. professional.
(well half a degree as yet, lol)
As a consumer i have taken it for few months and didnt do much for me, though i swear by protein supplements, am now 14st 6lb
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Fwaza esquire]
What protein supplements are you taking, would like to try it out for 1 or 2 months and just experiment... any websites where you buy it from?
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supacook2k
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maxi muscle are a good company! one of if not the best in the uk
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by supacook2k]
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Rocky
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rite boss i use usn muscle mass fuel the best u can get really bit pricey but it works mate and gives the the boost u need for work out, 30 quid i pay and take the shake after a work out u can get it in any good protein shops!!
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Fraser Young
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^^ Always bought supplements from here, great service etc.. Give them a bell they happy to explain stuff over phone too http://www.lamuscle.com/
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Dean_H
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Originally posted by Rocky
dean mate dont take that boss at all keep to youe protein supplements, as i did i ganied loads mate and weight and fatigue, there is nothing like a good hard work out as u gain muscles that do something and not show something if u get me swimming is really good mate rowing and running all good for me mate went from 9.5 stone to 11stone in aabout 9 months, due to work matters as iam a funiture removal man i always get a good work out thus dont need gym a lot now hope this helps dean
Alright mate, in my work as an electrical maintanence apprentice i do alot of walking most prob upto 6 miles a day most prob walking around the factory but not alot of physical work so i will have to goto the gym.
I have also started running which im doing 3 miles. Just worrying that running and swimming is alot of cardio and will lose my objective of getting more cut.
I was deffo considering protein shakes and for an extra push (if i need it in june time) i will consider taking creatine.
Can you recommend any good protein shakes or are they all mostly the same?
Cheers
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Rocky
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USN all the way peeps thats me recomendation!!
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Rocky
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Alright mate, in my work as an electrical maintanence apprentice i do alot of walking most prob upto 6 miles a day most prob walking around the factory but not alot of physical work so i will have to goto the gym.
I have also started running which im doing 3 miles. Just worrying that running and swimming is alot of cardio and will lose my objective of getting more cut.
I was deffo considering protein shakes and for an extra push (if i need it in june time) i will consider taking creatine.
Can you recommend any good protein shakes or are they all mostly the same?
Cheers
matey just get usn muscle mass best stuff i had and was recommended by my tranier which worked a treat i was well skinny mate when i first started but gained some weight which is not fat like just muscle its mab coz the work i do lol always on the move  and active  , but mate i been told so many times not to take creatine, but its up to u mate really
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Fraser Young
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by Fwaza esquire
p.s. my comment bout health effects in my opinion as a med. professional.
(well half a degree as yet, lol)
As a consumer i have taken it for few months and didnt do much for me, though i swear by protein supplements, am now 14st 6lb
[Edited on 17-01-2005 by Fwaza esquire]
your a med student
Yesh but i do deal a great deal with sports medicine both in clinical practice on wards and in the community, as my elective project already preparing to go on expedition with the British Antarctic survey as team medic so i spend as much time trying to learn and put into practice sports medicine...
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Dean_H
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Do you still take this stuff rocky even if you dont goto the gym, do you only take it before an after going to the gym or take it all the time?
Did you feel alot stronger while taking it and that you could go on for longer.
It is abit expensive isnt it £49 for 5kg but if its good stuff its worth it, 60 days worth in a 5kg tub?
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Rocky
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down bridgend boss i get good deal big tub for 29 quid like as i know the peeps lol ,,, dont take it as much now though but mate u do feel a lot helthy and stronger when u take it after ya work outs only take it after u work out though not all the time!!! and yes u do go longer as u feel fitter, and when i was training i was going out on the town and feeling fresh as rain and feeling great dont know whether thats anything to do with it its good all over by my mean mate 
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i took it before i went on marine selection. If you are going to take it make sure you drink alot of water.
I was only on it for about 8 weeks because it made me tired and a bit aggressive.
I would recommend the whey protein choc powder which you can mix with either water or milk. I had to take this because i did not weigh enough for my height (6ft 3)
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use creatine before going to the gym, i use the serum 6 drops on the tongue before a workout!
A mate has used it for last year and is huge now, no water retention as far as im aware as he is huge and 100% muscle,
i dont want to out weight on just tunr the fat into muscle
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by bradfincham
use creatine before going to the gym, i use the serum 6 drops on the tongue before a workout!
A mate has used it for last year and is huge now, no water retention as far as im aware as he is huge and 100% muscle,
i dont want to out weight on just tunr the fat into muscle
fat does not turn to muscle. they are two completely different cell types
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Carl
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quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by bradfincham
use creatine before going to the gym, i use the serum 6 drops on the tongue before a workout!
A mate has used it for last year and is huge now, no water retention as far as im aware as he is huge and 100% muscle,
i dont want to out weight on just tunr the fat into muscle
fat does not turn to muscle. they are two completely different cell types
you know what he meant. I once had creatine mixed with redbull before a footy match, sent me abit funny, but apart from that when i used it ( just before exercise as taking it other times means you waste it) i percieved an increase in my aerobic and muscular endurance.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by CrazyCarlo]
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