Mattb
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Right, gonna brave taking my KKK into work to check it out, but i have a feeling its gonna be fooked due to the damage the engine suffered, so the question i ask is this, does any one know the price of a Garret T3 turbo off the cossie, or where i might be able to buy one from, and does any one know of any difficulties in fitting a T3 to a let (other than having a custom manifold made)
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A1EX
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fitting it in might be an issue, but i'm sure there will be ways of doing it also lagtastic aswell for availability check on any rs owners clubs they are always upgrading and changin turbos
[Edited on 07-06-2004 by A1EX]
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vibrio
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well whats the problem with your turbo/engine.
putting a cossie T3 on would be silly probably. most likely not got the correct flow map. your better wither refurbing the OE KKK or get a hybrid one
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A1EX
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ive got a hybrid t28 on mine, u can get the manifolds from courtney to fit, tad expensive though....all depends on what you're aiming to achieve
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Mattb
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engine went bang, in a rather large way...
two exhaust valve heads fell off, one disintegrated, the other was buried into the head, piston destroyed, bent conrod etc etc, so im guessing there may have been a flow of solid bits through the turbo, but i am going to check it out tommorow ( have been advised to spin it up with an air line and check it for vibration)
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A1EX
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probably cheaper just get a new engine lol
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by A1EX
ive got a hybrid t28 on mine, u can get the manifolds from courtney to fit, tad expensive though....all depends on what you're aiming to achieve
considering going silly with it, motec management, lots of boost, arrow con-rods, uprated internals etc etc
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Jambo
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i hear OE ones are um. *cough* Expensive
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by A1EX
probably cheaper just get a new engine lol
got the engine for free  but a full rebuild is gonna pretty much guarantee a good engine
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A1EX
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well from what went wrong, ure gonna need a load of new stuff, so gonna cost u a small fortune to do all the stuff you want to do
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
engine went bang, in a rather large way...
two exhaust valve heads fell off, one disintegrated, the other was buried into the head, piston destroyed, bent conrod etc etc, so im guessing there may have been a flow of solid bits through the turbo, but i am going to check it out tommorow ( have been advised to spin it up with an air line and check it for vibration)
if your lucky it will be maybe just an exhaust wheel that needs replaced.
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Mattb
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i know, its cost a mint so far (new valves were a tad expensive at £49 a piece from a main dealer!) but its all nearly fixed just got new pistons and re-bore left to go
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smoothie SRI
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Hi your probly looking at £750 for a new turbo from turbo tech in northampton or you could search for a second hand one it up to you but i would get a new one.
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vibrio
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recon should not cost as much as that
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J da Silva
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get a reconditioning of the turbo, and maybe use an uprated garrett actuator to fit the kkk16, i wouldnt bother fitting a t3 at all, just my opinion though
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J da Silva
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the stock turbo doesnt hit surge limit till 30psi's of boost pressure anyway, aslong as the airflow is increased by half then the turbo's efficiency doesnt go downwards, usually if you dont increase airflow by that amount, it usually dips off between 16-20psi
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Mattb
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 turbos a bit feckeds actually, has siezed up, and the exhaust blades are damaged...
not a happy bunny...
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J da Silva
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forgot to add, to get a recon of the kkk16 your looking at 150-200 quid in affect you get a new turbocharger, 750 quid?? pffft 
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CorsAsh
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Basic T3s were used on metro turbos. Theres usually some lying around in scrappies, or you could try an owner's club. The metro engine is also used often to do turbo conversions in minis, so try http://www.turbominis.co.uk
Never bought anything from that site, but it might be of use to you.
Ash.
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J da Silva
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
turbos a bit feckeds actually, has siezed up, and the exhaust blades are damaged...
not a happy bunny...
whats the deal with the actuator? were you getting wastegate creep, oil mist leaking into the intake?
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DAYZEE
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RS Turbos use a T3, so do the sierra cossies. I honestly wouldn't of thought a T3 would be of any use on a small metro engine? Theres enough lag on a 1.6!!!
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Mattb
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quote:
Originally posted by VenomTurbo
quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
turbos a bit feckeds actually, has siezed up, and the exhaust blades are damaged...
not a happy bunny...
whats the deal with the actuator? were you getting wastegate creep, oil mist leaking into the intake?
nah, the whole thing has seized, you cant turn the blades..
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Mattb
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oh, and thinking more along the lines of t25 now, but secret plans are being hatched 
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J da Silva
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well i still reckon you'd be better off reconditioning the kkk16 unit, its a great stock turbo and usually why people think they are crap is maybe because they compare old worn stock turbos to brand new hybrids, which also are they not as efficient they also take longer to spool, i've experienced the naivity of wanting a bigger turbo, and i took the route of sticking with the stock turbo, so glad i did
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CorsAsh
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quote:
Originally posted by DAYZEE
RS Turbos use a T3, so do the sierra cossies. I honestly wouldn't of thought a T3 would be of any use on a small metro engine? Theres enough lag on a 1.6!!!
Well thats whats sat in my garage, and came off my mate's turbo engined mini...
...unless he's put a T3 on afterwards and not mentioned it... Doubt it tho, and I remember him turning his boost controller full on the wrong way to begin with and runnin 26psi  Didn't keep it like that of course tho
[Edited on 08-06-2004 by CorsAsh]
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