CorsAsh
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...get a FWD car sideways...
As a matter of interest - just to see how other people do it - I go for lift-off mostly...
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myke
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why would you want to get it sideways?
you'd be faster keeping it inline.
if it's for a mess about in a carpark or whatever, then it's handbrake.
if you're getting a fwd car sideways with a scandinavian flick, then i would guess this was mostly due to lift off weight transfer anyway.
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R Lee
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i watched Tiff Needell do the scandanavian thingy on TV before, was 
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chris_uk
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whats is a scandinavian flick?
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Stoneyginger
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Left right left right fcukkkkkk yaaaaaaa 
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Stoneyginger
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bascially flick to the left then right then the momentum when you steer where you wanna go will take the car sideways
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CorsAsh
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Scandinavain flick - this is also sometimes referred to as a 'pendulum turn'.
The main aim of this technique is to provide a quick oversteer turn into a corner. It is mainly used in rally driving or a similar motorsport.
The use of the Scandinavian flick is mainly limited to slippery surfaces such as gravel or snow and the explanation of this technique assumes this.
When approaching a corner it is necessary to ensure that the car will turn into the corner when you need it to. If you do not use this technique and just drive fast up to the corner and then turn in, the car will understeer and go straight on a potential disaster.
You will tend to understeer because is unrealistic to expect the car to instantly turn on a slippery surface at the point you want it to. The road tyres will not have enough grip to turn as sharply as you want them to. For this reason the driver will put the car into a brake maintained skid pointing away from the corner and let the car flick into the corner at the last minute thus inducing instant oversteer and providing grip to the front wheels.
Pendulum Initialisation
The first stage is to put the car into a skid travelling straight down the road but pointing the car away from the corner.
As an illustration, we will assume you are driving on a forest track, where there is usually a convex shape to the road with the road dropping off to the left and right. This is ideal for setting up a pendulum. By slight steering to the right and then to the left you will guide the car slightly right and then turn the front of the car left, leaving the rear wheels in the trough of the forest gravel road on the right.
The main aim now is the correct timing of applying the brakes. At the point when the car is travelling in the correct direction (down the road) and the car is pointing to the left you can do one of two things. By winding on some opposite lock and feathering the brakes you will be knocking off some speed and holding the tail out.
The other option is to stand on the brakes and lock up all four wheels putting the car into a complete skid. This will knock off lots more speed on gravel as the gravel builds up in front of the tyres and improves braking. You should still wind up on the appropriate opposite lock, even though the direction of the front wheels are not really important at this point. When you reach the point you want to flick the car to the right you just need to come off the brakes and the car will flick round to the right and you will then be in an oversteer power slide manoeuvre.
You then use a good combination of acceleration and understeer to guide you round the corner and then fully accelerate once the car has straightened up.
- thanks to google for that one...
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
whats is a scandinavian flick?
One of these:
http://www.corsasport.co.uk/vids/outside.wmv
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Jason
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only had it sideways a few times with liftoff
once with foot brake (snow)
billions with handbreak
and iv done the scandinvian thing once
best thing i like doing is on ice...
go on hand brake on full lock into the drift and floor it... u'll effectively be driving sideways looking out ur side windows...
all of the above only on snow or ice dont wanna do her any damage!
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R Lee
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
whats is a scandinavian flick?
One of these:
http://www.corsasport.co.uk/vids/outside.wmv
is there a vids section on this site 
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Joff
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Yes.
That's where Ian keeps his stash of "AK with a fattie" footage.
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Jason
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Joff
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I see no phone number 
Only one I've got to hand is 07765 89... 
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Jason
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bastards
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Ian
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Bandwidth issues I'm afraid chaps!
I've just thought of something. Let me mail Tim.
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CorsaLad16v
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Tam the diesel man
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is that vid from when you did that mag thing?? remember seeing that ages ago
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R Lee
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Bandwidth issues I'm afraid chaps!
I've just thought of something. Let me mail Tim.
ooooooo....
are we going to get a new section to look at?
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IntaCepta
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only time i use the handbrake is to do a 180.
to get it abit sideways i usually liftoff oversteer just to put the fun into driving.
never tried the flick... always wanted to tho..
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Ian
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Yeah Tam that was one of the Redline Records days. I didn't run anything, just went to have a play 
New section will just be a load of video files in a browse-able list if Tim OKs it
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R Lee
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Yeah Tam that was one of the Redline Records days. I didn't run anything, just went to have a play
New section will just be a load of video files in a browse-able list if Tim OKs it
wooooooooooooooohoo 
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CorsaLad16v
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niiiice 1, hope he does OK it
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