Ojc
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Originally posted by Stavs
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Originally posted by Warren G
astra turbo's are slow for the power tbh
whereas astra vxrs seem alot faster..
they even look and sound faster, but there not
Come on Stavs  pushing it a bit aren't you
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SAL
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Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by Stavs
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Originally posted by Warren G
astra turbo's are slow for the power tbh
whereas astra vxrs seem alot faster..
they even look and sound faster, but there not
Come on Stavs pushing it a bit aren't you
as much as i love you, iv been in the situation many time's  not just in my astra but as a passenger of many gsi's, sri's and coupe's oh and vxr's  There is no difference out on the road
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nik
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Originally posted by Warren G
selling the st for a clio
Credit crunch? What credit crunch Only joking
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gavin18787
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Originally posted by Fad
Remind me how driving a car stripped of any comfort so much so it rattles constitute for relaxing?
After hearing the plans for the astra they are prepping for a 300mile trip stripped and no comfort must be his thing
Drives supercharged Tec with torque 
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gavin18787
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Originally posted by Rob B
Also drive a type R and a 182, youll notice the lack of torque and feel in the type R going back to back...
[Edited on 25-01-2009 by Rob B]
I agree with all you say barring that. I drove one of each at the same dealership. I dont think there was really anything in it tbh. only difference is where the varible cams switch on them. on the clio its lower but the civic has shorter gearing so they felt roughly the same imo
Saying this if someone offered me a clio I would be more then happy as I love both.
Ben drive one and see what you think 
Just shop around as I found that they vary greatly. I drove a few and some felt like completly different cars to each other  (all ff 182's btw )
Drives supercharged Tec with torque
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jr
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Originally posted by John
Gearbox just isn't very good, not short and direct like it should be, clutch is heavy but apart from that it just feels terrible, being heavy doesn't make it have feeling, and I don't know what other cars you are comparing it to but the majority of cars i've driven are 10x better, including an old seat toledo that i'm driving atm.
The car just isn't put together very well or built from decent materials, I don't know how else to explain that it's just not.
i personally found the clutch stupidly heavy
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Ben G
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Originally posted by nik
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Originally posted by Warren G
selling the st for a clio
Credit crunch? What credit crunch Only joking
nothing to do with that tbh, just think i'd be better off saving the £430 a month i pay on the focus and save it for a deposit on a house instead
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N3CRO
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Originally posted by John
Gearbox just isn't very good, not short and direct like it should be, clutch is heavy
Agreed, clutch position isn't very good neither.
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DJMartin07
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One word. FRENCH!
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Jay
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Originally posted by TheNobleOne
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Originally posted by John
Gearbox just isn't very good, not short and direct like it should be, clutch is heavy
Agreed, clutch position isn't very good neither.
I've just got a 172 and can vouch for that, the clutch is stupidly heavy.
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Stokie Dave
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What are peoples thoughts on the Clio's versus a Fiesta ST (mark 6 are they?) with a bit done to it like full exhaust inc manifold and decat, induction etc.
Little bit slower maybe but how about quality and what they're like to drive?
Only had minimal experience of a 172 cup but not any Fiesta ST's or 182's etc... interested in both cars myself 
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Rob B
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Ford probably have better interior and materials, personally i don't buy a hot hatch for material quailty...
Clio will beat the ST in everything else.
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AndyKent
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ST is pretty slow for the class of engine - they should/could have made it a lot quicker than it is TBH.
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Stokie Dave
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http://viewer.zmags.com/showmag.php?mid=gwhpg&preview=1&_x=1#/page2/
The mountune ones sound fun though
I suppose I'm personally after a sensible, semi comfortable day to day car which I can still gun about and it feel focused with loads of feedback as well as being cost effective overall.
Best of both worlds kinda guy me lol
[Edited on 26-01-2009 by Stokie Dave]
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CORSA NUT
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Ben just buy mine and be done with it
Black looks awesome 
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IvIarkgraham
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or buy mine as red looks better
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Hamish
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Originally posted by Warren G
i dont think i know of a car that does less than 25mpg unless you are permenty flat out!
Never been in a high power car then. Evo 1's drink the stuff like its going out of fassion. Less than 20mpg FTW
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ash_corsa
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Originally posted by DJMartin07
One word. FRENCH!
One word - DICK!
Ben, how much are you set to loose on the ST? as you can get an ST 3 for about £10k now!
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Ben G
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nothing. i can give the car back after 9 months and walk away was going to trade it in for a new fiesta zetec s but i just can't be bothered with new cars anymore.
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Ben G
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Originally posted by aPk
ST is pretty slow for the class of engine - they should/could have made it a lot quicker than it is TBH.
it's fast enough to scare a lot of people mate.
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Graham88
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TBH, if you can give it back and lose nothing I would do that. You will lose a silly amount of money if you keep it and sell it not long after!
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mk4_astra
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Ben G quick question is the 182 going to be big enough for you? if you think about it the focus is quite abit bigger
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Ben G
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i feel the focus is too big really, want a smaller car so the clio is ideal
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AndyKent
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Originally posted by Ben G
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Originally posted by aPk
ST is pretty slow for the class of engine - they should/could have made it a lot quicker than it is TBH.
it's fast enough to scare a lot of people mate.
Maybe, but a whole second slower on the road to 60, and feels it - at least it does the few I've been in......
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broster
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Originally posted by Stokie Dave
http://viewer.zmags.com/showmag.php?mid=gwhpg&preview=1&_x=1#/page2/
The mountune ones sound fun though
I suppose I'm personally after a sensible, semi comfortable day to day car which I can still gun about and it feel focused with loads of feedback as well as being cost effective overall.
Best of both worlds kinda guy me lol
[Edited on 26-01-2009 by Stokie Dave]
the fiesta st is a fair bit slower and uninspiring in std guise, cams inlet and exhaust make a vast improvement tho.
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