Ojc
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This is who I went to school with, can't believe I even managed to learn to read 
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Colin
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Ash out of interest from your intake at Uni how many got jobs designing cars?
This is in no way aimed at you as you've obviously done very well & are a very committed individual but motorsport design is one of there 'new school' degrees IMO that are vastly over subscribed. Just like forensic science, there 100's of people do this as a degree after too much CSI, but your lucky if theres 2 or 3 jobs within the UK between them each year!! Madness that its allowed tbh!!
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JonnyJ
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I'll be honest apart from the piece of paper i got uni was a waste of time for me. Not because i didn't know what i wanted to do but the course and tutors were fucking wank. I self taught myself nearly everything new i learnt while there.
Avoid Hull uni like the plague any potential students reading this
thank god my course at college was excellent
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JonnyJ
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FLOL at Ollie's pics, looks like a very "special" group 
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CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Ojc
Infact, we had a reunion the other day I'll grab a pic
Why have you not answered me yet?
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JonnyJ
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Infact in Pic 3 looks like you are having a heart attack while the other guy has just dropped a piece of his pizza down his back
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deano87
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Originally posted by JonnyJ
Infact in Pic 3 looks like you are having a heart attack while the other guy has just dropped a piece of his pizza down his back
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Colin
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Im not doing a degree just now, not even sure why im getting involved in this debate, guess as ive done a good bit of further education I see arguements from both ends. If I wanted to progress in my job id need a degree however id only do it if the company paid for it!
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Ojc
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Ojc
Infact, we had a reunion the other day I'll grab a pic
Why have you not answered me yet?
Yes, sorry I was getting excited at the prospect of showing my school friends
What you say is completely right, I like to bunch people into groups and obviously there are a few exceptions.
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CorsAsh
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Ash out of interest from your intake at Uni how many got jobs designing cars?
Not many. I improved my chances by specializing in CAD. But there are only a tiny number who left my course with nothing, everyone I know has found a design-related position.
The problem is (as we noted at uni) more popular courses are opened up to larger intakes to supplement the less attractive courses. So people on our course were paying the wages of staff in the biology labs and so on
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CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Ojc
Infact, we had a reunion the other day I'll grab a pic
Why have you not answered me yet?
Yes, sorry I was getting excited at the prospect of showing my school friends
What you say is completely right, I like to bunch people into groups and obviously there are a few exceptions.
So long as I escape your shower blocks I'm happy.
[Edited on 10-12-2008 by CorsAsh]
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Colin
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Your school friends look like a smashing bunch oliver. Looks alot like the 'heed the baw's' that I used to attend with!!
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deano87
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The Chinese students with their £10k/year fees fund our Uni. There are shit loads of them.
Has to supplement all the grannies doing Child Care and the all grants given to deprived ethnics though.
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Ojc
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Your school friends look like a smashing bunch oliver. Looks alot like the 'heed the baw's' that I used to attend with!!
Ryan (the one in the England top) is my best mate and is the most intelligent person I have ever met in my life.
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CorsAsh
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Your school friends look like a smashing bunch oliver. Looks alot like the 'heed the baw's' that I used to attend with!!
Ryan (the one in the England top) is my best mate and is the most intelligent person I have ever met in my life.
Lies, we met at the Pod.
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Adam_B
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My primary reason for going to uni was because im genuinly interested in my subject, Im not confident enough to put myself out there without any qualifications just on the strength of my self taught skills. Also i wouldnt know where to start.
This real world thing makes me laugh, ive been there and done that, uni is harder. But maybe the 'real world' job i did was not hard enough, maybe the uni course im on is too hard, who knows.
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Ojc
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Do you play guitar?
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Colin
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
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Ash out of interest from your intake at Uni how many got jobs designing cars?
Not many. I improved my chances by specializing in CAD. But there are only a tiny number who left my course with nothing, everyone I know has found a design-related position.
The problem is (as we noted at uni) more popular courses are opened up to larger intakes to supplement the less attractive courses. So people on our course were paying the wages of staff in the biology labs and so on
Crazy isnt it, but they all do it to balance the books. Like I said previously my place turned down 4 hopefull engineering students that would have without a doubt got a job, however see no flaw in taking on 60 bidding musicians, all who have no hope of hell of becoming anything bigger than a bunch of greesy haired fuckheads dossing about playing band in someones garage!! Uni/college - its just a business at the end of the day & the spreadsheet needs to come out + at the end of the year at whatever cost & thats whats wrong really.
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CorsAsh
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Indeed. As usual, the need to balance the books overrides all else.
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Mase
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
There are three distinct groups here.
Group 1: Me, Paul, James and so on. We've known for a long time what we want to do, and going to university to get a degree in this subject is a big stepping stone to winning a place in our chosen industries.
Group 2: Your relative. Doesn't have an idea what they want to do, so go to university hoping for some kind of epiphany and a guiding light to point the way to a succesful life for them.
Group 3: The Ojcs of the world. Know what they want to be, know that school isn't helping them achieve their goals, and therefore take a less academic route to success.
But please, Oliver, don't assume that you can stereotype and underestimate the intentions of all students. It's one of the most stressful things you can go through. You're no better than us just because we remained academic, we got to the same place by different means is all.
[Edited on 10-12-2008 by CorsAsh]
I also find myself in group 1.... In order for me to get into the type of work I wanted to (mechanical engineering) and to have any chance of becoming a chartered engineer I had to do this course.
I knew from a young age that this was the line of work i wanted to get into and structured my a-levels as such. I don't particularly have a problem paying my way, but I'd find it difficult to work whilst studying.
I do work over the summers and what not and have done a 14 month placement with a process engineering company and have secured a job there for when I finish in June.
I don't feel I've been a student dosser, sure I like to go out and the like, but at the same time, my life would have been so much easier over the last year or so if i hadn't have bothered with this course, its pretty busy.
Anyhow, as someone has already mentioned, uni's are businesses and need courses to attract students.... This is the reason our once, purely engineering building is being filled with jewellery making, arty sorts that moan when they have to be in 5 hours a week, which really boils my piss. They bring the money in, not engineers as the course is considered too hard....
The only thing i resent is that people tarnish everyone with the same brush, which is going to happen, I accept that, but there are a minority who bust a bollock to be in the industry they wanted to be in and seemingly get ignored....
[edit] one thing i'd like to add though, is that people are correct when they say uni cannot replace experience... I've done a total of nearly two years with the company I'm going back to work for and can say I've learnt a hell of a lot doing that, but at the same time am able to apply the work I've done at uni to assist in the job...
[Edited on 11-12-2008 by Mase]
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I think the point is being lost a little here. I respect anyone that can sit down and study a subject to degree level. It is not easy. But put yourself in the position of the employer. Two people are narrowed down for the one job as they have both the same degree and at the same level.
Candidate 1 has little life experience as he says he knuckled down and studied hard and didn't work whilst at uni, relied on loans which he now needs to pay back.
Candidate 2, grafted his arse off for 3 years. Has a degree, no debts and lots of experience in time management, budgeting and financial responsibility due to the fact he paid his way through uni himself, with a little help from his parents who started saving when he was little. Planning for the future has been instilled into this person from his parents.
I know who i would pick from the two.
My gripe has never ever been about the loans though. A loan is a loan and will get paid back. The problem is the people who Moan about having to get a loan to pay for their degree. The ones who think it should be subsidised to the extent that they pay nothing and that they are doing the country a favour by being their. lik eit is their God given right. I have seen with my own eyes, people who have paid thier own way through uni and those that have bummed every opportunity. The thing is, it is those that try that actually get to where they want to.
I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.
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deano87
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My gripe has never ever been about the loans though. A loan is a loan and will get paid back. The problem is the people who Moan about having to get a loan to pay for their degree. The ones who think it should be subsidised to the extent that they pay nothing and that they are doing the country a favour by being their. lik eit is their God given right. I have seen with my own eyes, people who have paid thier own way through uni and those that have bummed every opportunity. The thing is, it is those that try that actually get to where they want to.
I agree - however when we signed up (I was the first year which adopted Pay As You Earn, Not Pay As You Learn) and they said interest was at the rate of inflation, so many people took their loans out on this basis.
What happened later on in the year? They put interest up to near what you pay in banks 
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Mase
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Originally posted by Ste W
Candidate 1 has little life experience as he says he knuckled down and studied hard and didn't work whilst at uni, relied on loans which he now needs to pay back.
Candidate 2, grafted his arse off for 3 years. Has a degree, no debts and lots of experience in time management, budgeting and financial responsibility due to the fact he paid his way through uni himself, with a little help from his parents who started saving when he was little. Planning for the future has been instilled into this person from his parents.
I know who i would pick from the two.
Experience is very important, hence the reason my course is a 'sandwich' course with a years work experience, but I can't say I feel i've missed out by not fitting in work between my studies.
I feel my time management skills and budgeting skills are sufficent, because lets face it, if they weren't I don't think i'd be able to get all work done here and i'd find it hard to survive on the money I have coming in through sponsorship and I wouldn't have been offered two years sponsorship and a minimum of a two year contract when i finish in the first place...
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