nova_gteuk
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But fuck me cold blooded murder is sick,no doubt he didnt even get charged.
how exactly was it cold blooded murder?
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by Cosmo]
Pulling out on someone like that with the intent on physical harm or death,id class as murder in cold blood?
Id of thought as part of his job he would have had to wait for the biker to pass and not pull out in his path with knowing full well he wouldnt have time to stop.
If id done that to someone id be locked up for death by dangerous driving,what makes the police in any country above the law?
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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Paul_J
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Where's your proof he pulled out on purpose? the bike only hit the back of the car.
To me looked like copper pulled up, looked both ways (saw it was clear) - afterall there were only 2 bikes MILES away down the road.
started pulling out. Saw the 1st bike coming along in the middle of the road (so stopped to not hit that one) ... then the other bike on the inside of the road (which was accelerating quicker than the one in the middle of the road one) smashed into him.
imo copper did nothing wrong.
The rider should've used common sense that there was a road opening there, and a car may pull out!
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Cosmo
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you cannot possibly tell from that video that he pulled out on purpose 
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nova_gteuk
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Id guess the fact the police cars tyres can be heard screeching to get out in front of the bike
The fact that the copper has sat there watching them,then he sees bikes coming flying towards where hes parked,knowing full well their speeding/racing each other.
Even if its not murder its driving without due care and attention.
And guessing by the mob of people who go over and kick the cops car etc,would make me think he done it on purpose?
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Id guess the fact the police cars tyres can be heard screeching to get out in front of the bike
I personally think the sound of tyres screechng, is the copper stopping!
He's pulled out into the road, then seen a bike coming along in the middle of the road! so he brakes hard... screeches as he locks up his tyres...
but at the same time, the biker on the inside of the road accelerates  and thus hits the cop car.
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nova_gteuk
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Id guess the fact the police cars tyres can be heard screeching to get out in front of the bike
I personally think the sound of tyres screechng, is the copper stopping!
He's pulled out into the road, then seen a bike coming along in the middle of the road! so he brakes hard... screeches as he locks up his tyres...
but at the same time, the biker on the inside of the road accelerates and thus hits the cop car.
If a motorbike is coming straight at you and your in its path,id guess that stopping/brakeing would be the last thing on my mind.id put my foot down to try and get out of their path?
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And guessing by the mob of people who go over and kick the cops car etc,would make me think he done it on purpose?
nah, I think they're kicking his car, because they've just seen their mate have an accident and blame the cop car for it - not the idiot doing 140 mph down the road? 
I ride a motorbike, and every time I approach a place where a car could pull out, I move to the center of the road, so I'm more visible to anyone pulling out ... and also adjust my speed.
The biker is 100% to blame, he was in the inside of the road (so hard to see) and going FAR too fast.
stop trying to say the copper 'tried to murder him' - why would a police man do this? Risk his job? Risk jail? - what would be the point for him?
I think if that video wasn't titled 'cop murders biker' - then you wouldnt' even assume that. You'd just call it an accident.
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If a motorbike is coming straight at you and your in its path,id guess that stopping/brakeing would be the last thing on my mind.id put my foot down to try and get out of their path?
No... The biker in the middle of the road (the one who's in front when the copper pulls out) ... the copper stops, as going forward anymore, would put him in line with this biker (in the middle of the road)...
It just so happens at that exact moment, that the biker in the inside of road (probably hard to see anyway) is accelerating up to a stupid speed! so the copper stops infront of him.
IF the copper did what you said, and nailed it forward... he'd of most likely had a collision with the biker in the middle of the road instead!
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nova_gteuk
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So if you was at that junction and seen two lights coming towards you very fast,you would pull out. Wouldnt you wait till its safe to do so.
No matter if theyre speeding or not two lights coming at speed towards me would make me wait till they passed ?
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So if you was at that junction and seen two lights coming towards you very fast,you would pull out. Wouldnt you wait till its safe to do so.
No matter if theyre speeding or not two lights coming at speed towards me would make me wait till they passed ?
let's not bullshit... Those lights of those bikes (at the point of pulling out) would be a good 300-500 yards away! That's if the one on the inside is even visible at all!!
You meaning to tell me you don't pull out onto any road, until it's 100% clear and there's nothing approaching from anywhere? ... the police man probably saw 2 (or maybe just 1) light about 300 - 500 yards away... plenty of space to pull out considering the speed limit and so started pulling out. But obviously the bikes were going a lot quicker.
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Paul_J
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just re watched the video again!
those bikes are SOOO far away, that the camera man actually zooms in!
It's just the fact the guy on the inside is doing like 140 mph it doesn't take him long to cover the distance.
If you went to pull out there, you'd see the road is clear.
stop thinking the screeching noise is when he pulls out! - watch it again and picture that noise being him locking his brakes up to stop for the bike in the middle of the road!
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Wrighty
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biker was in the wrong, so was the cop
both twats imo
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nova_gteuk
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Well ive watched it a few times the impact.
and even if they where doing 30 the distance between the bike was and the screech of his tyres,he still would have hit him?
and to me if you listen to the screeching tyres it sounds like more of a wheelspin to me rather than braking?
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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Well ive watched it a few times the impact.
and even if they where doing 30 the distance between the bike was and the screech of his tyres,he still would have hit him?
and to me if you listen to the screeching tyres it sounds like more of a wheelspin to me rather than braking?
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by nova_gteuk]
lol - if they were doing 30, it'd of been no where near. they'd of not got close.
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Ben G
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paul the biker speeding is in the OUTSIDE lane... remember they are driving on the right side of the road.
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paul the biker speeding is in the OUTSIDE lane... remember they are driving on the right side of the road.
same difference. Still not visible to anyone pulling out.
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paul the biker speeding is in the OUTSIDE lane... remember they are driving on the right side of the road.
same difference. Still not visible to anyone pulling out.
visible enough. i doubt he meant to kill the bloke, but you can't prove he didn't or did.
wouldn't matter anyway, if the biker as going 140mph it would be thrown out of court imo
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The biker hits the back of the car, anyone think that maybe he put his foot down to get out the way and thats what you can hear!?
Either way, its not murder. Biker isnt doing stupid speeds then he wouldnt be dead. End of.
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Colin
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Bikers going way too fast, caused his own death imo. What if that was old blind Doris on her way home from the bingo that pulled out the junction - would she be a murderer just because a bikers doing 100mph along the public road? No!
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nova_gteuk
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My mate keiron's serving four years in prison for knocking a drunk over.
The boy came out of nowhere as kieron was turning a corner,he wasnt speeding or anything. yet he got prison?
Which is kind of the same thing.if that boy wasnt drunk he wouldnt be dead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5388008.stm
wish keiron had joined the police force would of got off scot free then 
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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I didn't want to comment further until i watched the video. This has been talked about many times before on the bike sites. It was at a biker meet just like you would get down ace cafe, or many other meets around the county.
The biker wasn't going that fast. It was about 60mph. He had just pulled a wheelie. During the wheelie the police car pulls out to stop the bloke, but by the time the biker had the front wheel down and got on the brakes, the police car had already pulled into the road to pull him. They stopped in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the biker (he shouldn't have been wheeling you could say, but then in a car, whos sped, or put your foot down, or pulled a cheeky handbrake etc (in your life)) was also in the wrong as he couldn't avoid what shouldn't have been there. Its not like he had robbed a bank or something (see that other bloke in america getting big time taken out but no mercy to him, he tried to outrun the law).
He didn't deserve to be killed for what he had done. Its a manslaughter type killing, it never meant to happen, but human error on both parts led to the biker being killed.
As said before, as a biker, you ride fairly fast, but you do so knowing your at your own risk for your actions. Get caught speeding, don't complain, you done the crime. You don't expect to be taken out like that.
Tom, nahh wrong end of the stick dude. What i meant is that riding a bike is nothing like driving a car. Everything is different, braking, speed, acceleration, weight. Saying speed kills from that girl though was just total BS as thats everyones argument. Speed doesn't kill, ignorence does.
Unfortunate event this. Unfortunatly, sh1t happens, just hope if your ever pulling a wheelie if you ride bikes, that it doesn't happen to you .....
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by VXR]
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You can't tell from that video what the intentions of the Police driver were! You hear tyres screech which could be a wheelspin it could be harsh braking you can't tell. The only thing you can tell from that video is that the biker is riding like an idiot. Nobody deserves to die like that but I can't see how anyone can claim that it's cold blooded murder from watching that. If the driver of the vehicle was Mrs Miggins on her way to Sainsburys instead of a Police car we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
[Edited on 20-12-2007 by chris-sri]
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Dave A
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bikers fault 100%
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Rob_Lee
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Agreed
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