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With all due respect i don't think you can treat a car through a shop front the same as an attempt to blow up a terminal building at an airport.
The terrorists attacking here have done their fellow muslims and asians a shocking turn, the idiots up here won't think twice about targetting innocent people and they've been riled now.
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how is attacking innocent people criminal damage ? Just because no one died doesnt mean its only criminal damage.
in respect to the original post it would be criminal damage?
blowing up a terminal full of passengers is on a tottaly different scale.
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hammer my point is not a direct comparison. Its based on the principle that an attack on innocent people is an attack regardless of size.
i agree they are both very different in regards to scale but both in principle are an attack on innocent people.
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Originally posted by jay kay
how is attacking innocent people criminal damage ? Just because no one died doesnt mean its only criminal damage.
in respect to the original post it would be criminal damage?
blowing up a terminal full of passengers is on a tottaly different scale.
the petrol bomb or the shop ?
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the petrol bomb that was thrown at a mosque but missed.
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There's no easy solution and it will continue to get worse for a long while yet. The only reasoning behind it is because british residents are targetted as a whole by these pussy terrorists, they pretend to be doctors or shopkeepers or whatever and hide behind others of the same religious beleif or race etc. It's easy for Jay Kay to pick at acts of frustration but they are so miniscule in comparrison to the terror/planning even than real non-british terrorists are thinking of right now that it's not worth wasting time talking about
tbh these reprisal acts may seem minor but in the future these small acts will be used to brainwash a younger more impressionable youth and may cause more terrorist acts. These vigilante acts only add fuel to the fire that is already attracting terrorists from outside the country.
Miniscule or not these are attacks and should be treated the same way.
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by jay kay]
I agree, i'm not saying it's right but why should brits not take it as seriously as the [insert religious beleif here] people do, all there religious propaganda about the west ruining there lives and making a mockery of their beleif's, what about our beliefs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY? Go and tell the terrorists to stop and i'm sure the brits would soon follow suit  oh that's right you can't because you don't know who they are.
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can't believe this argument is still going on, everyone knows each event isn't right but jesus you can't compare a petrol bomb to a bomb designed to blow up an airport terminal.
Both are wrong, and both have different motives. One is to cause mass murder and in turn create mass panic/terror (terrorism) and one is more of a revenge attack, back an animal into a corner and its going to attack. Thats exactly what the people are doing, retaliating, but they aren't planning a mass attack on 100,000's people.
Wish we could round up all the bastards doing this and bomb them, cunts
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Originally posted by jay kay
hammer my point is not a direct comparison. Its based on the principle that an attack on innocent people is an attack regardless of size.
i agree they are both very different in regards to scale but both in principle are an attack on innocent people.
Absolutely and neither are to be condoned but it's easy for anyone to see this is what would happen if we ever recieved a terrorist attack and is one of the main reasons we haven't until now.
The immagrant population up here live in the same communities as the bucky drinking, knife wielding, under educated neds thieves and vagabonds. They won't live in harmony unfortunately after the weekends escapades.
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jay kay
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
the petrol bomb that was thrown at a mosque but missed.
yeh that is criminal damage by someone who cant hit a building
i was refering to the shop though
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ouch, 5 posts before i could post mine above  now it seems out of place 
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Originally posted by jay kay
hammer my point is not a direct comparison. Its based on the principle that an attack on innocent people is an attack regardless of size.
i agree they are both very different in regards to scale but both in principle are an attack on innocent people.
As an aside - Would attacks by brits hold more weight if they were better planned, better executed and on a larger scale and directed towards all other minorities?
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jay kay
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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by jay kay
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Originally posted by Tom
There's no easy solution and it will continue to get worse for a long while yet. The only reasoning behind it is because british residents are targetted as a whole by these pussy terrorists, they pretend to be doctors or shopkeepers or whatever and hide behind others of the same religious beleif or race etc. It's easy for Jay Kay to pick at acts of frustration but they are so miniscule in comparrison to the terror/planning even than real non-british terrorists are thinking of right now that it's not worth wasting time talking about
tbh these reprisal acts may seem minor but in the future these small acts will be used to brainwash a younger more impressionable youth and may cause more terrorist acts. These vigilante acts only add fuel to the fire that is already attracting terrorists from outside the country.
Miniscule or not these are attacks and should be treated the same way.
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by jay kay]
I agree, i'm not saying it's right but why should brits not take it as seriously as the [insert religious beleif here] people do, all there religious propaganda about the west ruining there lives and making a mockery of their beleif's, what about our beliefs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY? Go and tell the terrorists to stop and i'm sure the brits would soon follow suit oh that's right you can't because you don't know who they are.
yes thats my point that if people dont know who they are why just go around attacking random people who have nothing to do with it. Yes it may make the fool feel better about doing it but the long term effect may be quite detrimental
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Originally posted by AdZ9
can't believe this argument is still going on, everyone knows each event isn't right but jesus you can't compare a petrol bomb to a bomb designed to blow up an airport terminal.
Both are wrong, and both have different motives. One is to cause mass murder and in turn create mass panic/terror (terrorism) and one is more of a revenge attack, back an animal into a corner and its going to attack. Thats exactly what the people are doing, retaliating, but they aren't planning a mass attack on 100,000's people.
Wish we could round up all the bastards doing this and bomb them, cunts
tbh if we could round up al the terrorist i wouldnt just bomb them .
what i would like to do to them is unprintable able tbh would fall under inciting violence
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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by jay kay
hammer my point is not a direct comparison. Its based on the principle that an attack on innocent people is an attack regardless of size.
i agree they are both very different in regards to scale but both in principle are an attack on innocent people.
As an aside - Would attacks by brits hold more weight if they were better planned, better executed and on a larger scale and directed towards all other minorities?
what do you mean more weight ?
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Tom
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Originally posted by jay kay
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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by jay kay
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Originally posted by Tom
There's no easy solution and it will continue to get worse for a long while yet. The only reasoning behind it is because british residents are targetted as a whole by these pussy terrorists, they pretend to be doctors or shopkeepers or whatever and hide behind others of the same religious beleif or race etc. It's easy for Jay Kay to pick at acts of frustration but they are so miniscule in comparrison to the terror/planning even than real non-british terrorists are thinking of right now that it's not worth wasting time talking about
tbh these reprisal acts may seem minor but in the future these small acts will be used to brainwash a younger more impressionable youth and may cause more terrorist acts. These vigilante acts only add fuel to the fire that is already attracting terrorists from outside the country.
Miniscule or not these are attacks and should be treated the same way.
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by jay kay]
I agree, i'm not saying it's right but why should brits not take it as seriously as the [insert religious beleif here] people do, all there religious propaganda about the west ruining there lives and making a mockery of their beleif's, what about our beliefs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY? Go and tell the terrorists to stop and i'm sure the brits would soon follow suit oh that's right you can't because you don't know who they are.
yes thats my point that if people dont know who they are why just go around attacking random people who have nothing to do with it. Yes it may make the fool feel better about doing it but the long term effect may be quite detrimental
Read that back, that is exactly how I feel about the well organised terrorists. Them bombing me in an airport for example...how is that going to be not detrimental to my view of there people, or my bad feeling towards anyone who beleives in allah or whatever (i'm sorry if that sounds ignorant aswell - the fact I don't know or care about what they want to change but I don't give a shit)?
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by Tom]
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i didnt say it wasnt detrimental
tom im a muslim happily living in this country - i go to clubs from time to time i dont drink or take drugs but i work pay my taxes etc theres nothing i would change about thish country except for taxes , weather and house prices but thats about it. so how can you generalise in that way when you dont know how the majority of muslims are ?
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by jay kay]
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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by jay kay
hammer my point is not a direct comparison. Its based on the principle that an attack on innocent people is an attack regardless of size.
i agree they are both very different in regards to scale but both in principle are an attack on innocent people.
As an aside - Would attacks by brits hold more weight if they were better planned, better executed and on a larger scale and directed towards all other minorities?
what do you mean more weight ?
Well for example, the way you are talking about these smaller scale attacks (aimed at the wrong people probably) in a way in which you don't seem to take as seriously as the real terrorists i.e. they will be detrimental in the grander scale for the future etc makes it seem as though you take for granted that the acts of the terrorists now have caused this 'detrimental' respone.
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i take both attacks very seriously
my point is why does it seem ok for an attack on a muslim papershop ?
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i didnt say it wasnt detrimental
tom im a muslim happily living in this country - i go to clubs from time to time i dont drink or take drugs but i work pay my taxes etc theres nothing i would change about thish country except for taxes , weather and house prices but thats about it. so how can you generalise in that way when you dont know how the majority of muslims are ?
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by jay kay]
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Yes it may make the fool feel better about doing it but the long term effect may be quite detrimentalquote:
Ahem 
What am I generalising? I may come across like an unedicated fool about this but you can see how people may have bad feeling towards people of a certain beleif if it is rammed down there throats by certain people who don't wish to make themselves known. I am not racist or facist just frustrated.
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by Tom]
[Edited on 03-07-2007 by Tom]
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my grandad would love this thread
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i can see your point what i meant was that i didnt say it wasnt detrimental to people who are not muslim .
it will obviously affect them aswell .
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or my bad feeling towards anyone who beleives in allah or whatever (i'm sorry if that sounds ignorant aswell - the fact I don't know or care about what they want to change but I don't give a shit)?
by that you are generalising that all muslims want to change this country
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my grandad would love this thread
you should show it to him tbh 
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no thanks, i had to go to a family dinner the other week, he spent his life in the navy and is very political and has strong views and knows to much about it all. I stupidly mentioned something which made him go off on one and then had to sit for an hour listening to the background stories, and why so and so hates so and so etcetcetc.
Plus he hates pc's
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is your grandad 'uncle albert' from only fools and horses?
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