topshot_2k
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Originally posted by JamesMG
one of the main reasons behind NATO switching from .762 to .556 was that it didnt kill outright, as the story goes you kill a man it takes him from the battlefield.. you wound a man it takes 3 (in terms of battlefield support) not that theres much of that from our 'enemy' nowadays.
Theres also a hundred other factors, weight, size, battlefield standards etc
In regards to ballistics, the SA80 isnt underpowered at all, the slower muzzle velocity isnt due to the load in the cartridge its due to other aspects of the rifle design.
At the moment whether you like it or not the SA80 A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable weapons in use on the modern battlefield.. Part of which is down to the bullpup design spreading the weight evenly and allowing for a longer barrel within the same operating length giving increased manuerability etc
Oh and in regards to the MINIME.. what are we basing it being shite on? performce? or round size? because if i had to carry either one and a few hundred rounds i know which id choose..
you mean 7.62mm (.308) or 5.56mm (.223)
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JamesMG
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yes, yes i do... well there goes my credability 
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J B
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I have fired both the 5.56 and 7.62 rounds on a range and you can deffinately notice the difference in the kick and I know which I would rather use but what can you do about it?
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topshot_2k
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its to do with costs imo. Labour hate spending on the military, 5.56mm cartrides are at least half the price of 7.62
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stuartmitchell
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I'd do that for 100k  Shit hot job!
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Superlite Ltd.
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Originally posted by JamesMG
At the moment whether you like it or not the SA80 A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable weapons in use on the modern battlefield.. Part of which is down to the bullpup design spreading the weight evenly and allowing for a longer barrel within the same operating length giving increased manuerability etc
...then why do the SAS refuse to use it?
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by JamesMG
At the moment whether you like it or not the SA80 A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable weapons in use on the modern battlefield.. Part of which is down to the bullpup design spreading the weight evenly and allowing for a longer barrel within the same operating length giving increased manuerability etc
the SA80 is not the most reliable
its well known for its problems. the FN built SLR was much better.
[Edited on 27-06-2007 by topshot_2k]
[Edited on 27-06-2007 by topshot_2k]
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Aaron
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Replace all guns in the world with these and we wont have any problems 
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Dee
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Superlite Ltd.
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Originally posted by JamesMG
At the moment whether you like it or not the SA80 A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable weapons in use on the modern battlefield.. Part of which is down to the bullpup design spreading the weight evenly and allowing for a longer barrel within the same operating length giving increased manuerability etc
the SA80 is not the most reliable
its well known for its problems. the FN built SLR was much better.
Topshit, the SA80A2 is now regarded as the best rifle in Natos armoury, gone from the worst to the best thanks to the help of Heckler & Koch.
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andy1868
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the L98 was so wank that if you had it held open (so that you can look into the chamber to check for blocked rounds) and gave it a knock on the butt of the rifle, the bolt would move forward again back into the ready position, a handy feature when you've got a blockage and theres already afew rounds dislodged in the breach
this has no effect on how good or bad the SA80A2 is, as they're very different rifles
[Edited on 28-06-2007 by andy1868]
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Dee
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Superlite Ltd.
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Originally posted by JamesMG
At the moment whether you like it or not the SA80 A2 is one of the most accurate and reliable weapons in use on the modern battlefield.. Part of which is down to the bullpup design spreading the weight evenly and allowing for a longer barrel within the same operating length giving increased manuerability etc
the SA80 is not the most reliable
its well known for its problems. the FN built SLR was much better.
Topshit, the SA80A2 is now regarded as the best rifle in Natos armoury, gone from the worst to the best thanks to the help of Heckler & Koch.
IT is not better than the 7.62 NATO FN built SLR. end of.
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