LeeM
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i know this is another chain e-mail, but its quite interesting. i have no idea how true it is or if its just speculation but it made me think!!!
Got this from someone who works on technical stuff for the council, she
> REALLY thinks it's important that as many people as possible are aware
> of what may lie ahead...
>
> You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed
> a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards are
> not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for our
> Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to
> that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed ID
> Card, and what it will mean to you personally.
>
> The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It
> will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity
> Register)., where all of your personal details will be stored. This will
> include the unique number that will be issued to you, your fingerprints,
> a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph. Your name, address
> and date of birth will also obviously be stored there. There will be
> spaces on this database for your religion, residence status, and many
> other private and personal facts about you. There is unlimited space for
> every other details of your life on the NIR database, which can be
> expanded by the Government with or without further Acts of Parliament.
>
> By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would
> be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used to check
> your identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever
> you present it to 'prove who you are'.
>
> Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every
> pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like
> the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card
> can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record
> is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented.
> This means for example, that there will be a government record of every
> time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of Nat West, who now
> demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you
> are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR.
> Restaurants and off licenses will demand that your card is swiped so
> that each receipt shows that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and
> that this was proved by the access to the NIR, indemnifying them from
> prosecution.
>
> Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If
> you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a
> swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, or a
> supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present
> your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or
> a mobile phone or an internet account.
>
> Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed
> databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just as
> every other business will be. This means that each of these entities
> will be able to store your unique number in their database, and place
> all your travel, phone records, driving activities and detailed shopping
> habits under your unique NIR number.
>
> These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of
> your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally. It
> will then be possible for a non governmental entity to create a detailed
> dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government will have
> clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will have a
> complete record of all your movements, from how much and when you
> withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are taking, down
> to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a single
> unique number in a central database.
>
> This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your
> name and face. Most people do not know that this is the true character
> and scope of the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will
> work are explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent
> towards it.
>
> The Government is going to compel you to enter your details into the NIR
> and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or renew
> your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints taken and
> your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued to you
> whether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted and eye
> scanned, you will not be able to get a passport. Your ID Card, just like
> your passport, will not be your property. The Home Secretary will have
> the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any time, meaning that you
> will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank Account, for example,
> or do anything that requires you to present your government issued ID
> Card.
>
> The arguments that have been put forwarded in favour of ID Cards can be
> easily disproved. ID Cards will not stop terrorists; every Spaniard has
> a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not
> 'eliminate benefit fraud', which in any case, is small compared to the
> astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions
> according to the LSE. This scheme exists solely to exert total
> surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and it
> will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer
> systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.
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3CorsaMeal
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didn't read it all, summary?
personnally if we have to have ID cards, i'm not bothered
i know who i am 
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LeeM
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goin as far as recording smallest things like how much u draw from the bank, how much u had to drink when u went to a restaurant etc, then details bein accesible to third parties....
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Dean_W
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3CM, summary is: -
ID cards issued, hold lots of info. Thats about it really.
[Edited on 21-08-2006 by Dean_W]
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dave17
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long, summary pls
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by lee_wee
third parties....
I doubt it.
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John
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Old and I don't want id cards because the put rfid tags in everything and rfid tags can be copied easily by anyone.
Including the ones in the new passports btw.
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Dean_W
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I won't mind using one, but i'm not paying for one.
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Robin
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why wouldnt you pay for one?
you pay for your passport every 10 years or whatever, you paid for your driving license.
its not any different really.
personally, i can see the point in it though.
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Lynny
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why you bothered if someonw knows how much you had to drink, what you bought etc? you'd be surprised what third parties already know about you
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John
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Because its the govt.
They are different from random 3rd parties.
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Dan B
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quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
why wouldnt you pay for one?
you pay for your passport every 10 years or whatever, you paid for your driving license.
its not any different really.
personally, i can see the point in it though.
I don't have a passport, and have no plans to get one......why should I have to pay shitloads (and it will end up being three-figures, easily, no matter how much the government claim it'll only be 37p for fifty years for an ID card) for an ID card the government say is absolutely necessary, to ensure our homeland security?
Perhaps if they hadn't let in god knows how many hundreds of thousands of immigrants, we'd be better off and our homeland-security wouldn't be so much of an issue...
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
why wouldnt you pay for one?
you pay for your passport every 10 years or whatever, you paid for your driving license.
its not any different really.
personally, i can see the point in it though.
Because I want to go abroad, and because I want to drive.
An ID card means fook all to me, if they give me one i'll carry it around. If they want them to be compulsory they'll have to give me one for free. Don't see why we should have to pay for it. Unlike a passport it doesn't let us go abroad on holiday, and unlike a driving license it doesn't let us drive legally etc.... They have use's to me, ID card won't.
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andy1868
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the government is getting alittle too authoritarian for my liking, remember they tried to extend the time you could be held without being charged? now they're trying to document all our comings and goings etc. some would argue that they're using terrorism as an excuse to clamp down on the population. abit reminiscent of the Nazis during the 1930s, bringing in cerazy laws to combat communists.
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Dan B
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Benjamin Franklin said it perfectly:
"People willing to give up freedom for a little safety deserve neither freedom nor safety."
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