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Ok, here is text written by Sir Francis Crick, a Nobel Laureate.
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If you doubt the existence of Extraterrestrial life then consider this for a moment. Our Sun is only one of some 100 billion stars in this galaxy alone, there are 100 billion galaxies in our Universe and at least 1 million planets in our Galaxy that could support life as we know it.
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If the galaxies just so happen to have planets spaced exactly like ours, which he seems to have left off the end of his sentence.
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He was a Genius, he probably worked it out through probability. He wouldnt have been vague on things like that without having sat and worked it out.
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If the galaxies just so happen to have planets spaced exactly like ours, which he seems to have left off the end of his sentence.
To be honest I think that's bullshit.
Life grows anywhere (albeit mostly just bacteria, insects etc)...
At the bottom of the ocean in the complete darkness, there's living things, in the ice cold of north / south poles there's living creatures, in the hottest parts of the world things are living...
Basically, life evolves to fit it's environment. Even if the gravity was more life would probably just evolve with stronger legs / shorter... etc.
Just with our planet we've got a good atmosphere, and nice basis's for life to begin in the first place.
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Originally posted by Robin
If the galaxies just so happen to have planets spaced exactly like ours, which he seems to have left off the end of his sentence.
To be honest I think that's bullshit.
Life grows anywhere (albeit mostly just bacteria, insects etc)...
At the bottom of the ocean in the complete darkness, there's living things, in the ice cold of north / south poles there's living creatures, in the hottest parts of the world things are living...
Basically, life evolves to fit it's environment. Even if the gravity was more life would probably just evolve with stronger legs / shorter... etc.
Just with our planet we've got a good atmosphere, and nice basis's for life to begin in the first place.
yes true but you have to consider that any closer to teh sun an we are talking a surface temperature in the hundreds of degrees an the other way it will be well below zero. However its not just distance from the star as you could have a massive star an the planet could be where jupiter is on our system but but would be right for life, an the other way a small star and a close planet. Lots of different things to consider. Probability says that there must be the right condition millions of times over in the universe, but we will probably never know unless we some how manage to use black holes to our advantage which isnt going to happen.
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If the galaxies just so happen to have planets spaced exactly like ours, which he seems to have left off the end of his sentence.
To be honest I think that's bullshit.
Life grows anywhere (albeit mostly just bacteria, insects etc)...
Only if there's water Paul.
There's no water closer to the sun, it's all evaporated if there ever was any.
Further away, it's too cold for water to be water, so that's out of the question too.
Not only that, suns are different sizes, so a galaxy with a massive sun will have to have planets further away from it to be capable of supporting life, or the water will evaporate.
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'any closer' to the sun... 'any further' away... bit vauge that. We talking 1 mile each way? or are we talking millions of miles?
Lot's of combinations as you say and when there's Trillions and Trillions of possiblities there's the chance that a few are right.
Though what I was thinking... If 'evolution' is how we have come to who we are, and essentially our planet was formed from the big bang theory etc...
Then isn't it possible, that if there are other planets with similar conditions and similar life that has evolved upon it... that the life will have only developed / evolved as fast as we have and thus you'd be left with similarly intelligent species, not overly advanced or overly simple?
I suppose it could of gone either way though and 1 may be far more advanced, and a lot is probably just bacteria / worms / insects.
I was thinking though, most of our 'life' on this planet is basically based on simple rules... like Everyone has a brain, generally everything has a skelton structure, eyes, etc...
So when you see 'images' of aliens that have hundred legs and a million eyes on stalks, you just think? why the fuck would that have evolved into that? how stupid.
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what about life that isn't like ours, that say, doesn't need water? you're basing your conceptions on the things you know, but for all we know there could be life out there that manipulates something different altogether
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Robin
If the galaxies just so happen to have planets spaced exactly like ours, which he seems to have left off the end of his sentence.
To be honest I think that's bullshit.
Life grows anywhere (albeit mostly just bacteria, insects etc)...
Only if there's water Paul.
There's no water closer to the sun, it's all evaporated if there ever was any.
Further away, it's too cold for water to be water, so that's out of the question too.
Not only that, suns are different sizes, so a galaxy with a massive sun will have to have planets further away from it to be capable of supporting life, or the water will evaporate.
Though it may be cold and the water's all frozen if it's far away, but the surface layers may just be frozen... deep underneathe their may be bacteria and shit... which may evolve to newts or whatever.
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what about life that isn't like ours, that say, doesn't need water? you're basing your conceptions on the things you know, but for all we know there could be life out there that manipulates something different altogether
Yeh I've also thought this before... but isn't the whole evolution theory about the fact that H20 was a component for life?
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on this planet yes
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I know this is most likely a fake
but still shits me up when I see it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwakL6Tq1k
You imagine seeing that.
All I saw was 3 lights (like stars) in the sky rotating around each other, not an actual shape or object.
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According to Jesus evolution did take place
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I'm not going to be specific enough to be talking about 1 mile, no, don't be silly
As for the evolution thing, some things evolve faster than others, scorpions and ostriches haven't changed for thousands, possibly millions of years, but we have.
There's no real reason why something couldn't evolve even quicker.
Andy, you're right, I'm assuming all life needs water, but as that's what scientists are doing when we send probes to Mars, I think I'm onto a winner there.
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According to Jesus evolution did take place
Did he? I thought the bible claims evolution is bullshit and god created us as we are?
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I doubt they'll ever find something on mars. it's a dump.
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andy1868
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but the scientists ideas aren't the be all and end all. how can they be looking for things that they don't know exist?
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but the scientists ideas aren't the be all and end all. how can they be looking for things that they don't know exist?
Yeh I take this opinion with so much over the matter, especially space travel.
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but the scientists ideas aren't the be all and end all. how can they be looking for things that they don't know exist?
You have general physics of the things around you an things that you know an you use that make models / theories to explain things that currently cant be.
Theoretical stuff isnt made up it will have its routes in something already known. 99% of the time when the equipment is available to test the theories they come out right. Look at some of the old physicists and what they achieved with not equipment an now we have proving that they were right, its just a different way of thinking.
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Just to cut in....
This Roswell book is amaizing  If the stuff i'm reading is true then we have NO idea of the shit the US government are hiding from us.
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Read 'The Biggest Secret' and you'll see, with evidence, that humans were originally from Mars, people with dark skin originated from Earth and Religion is Pagan from start to finish and all from the same moment, created by Jewish Levites. You'll also find out that Jesus is symbolism to represent the Sun. READ THE BOOK.
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I will man i will 
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Wait there....i've just read one of the reviews on Amazon on it...
17 of 26 people found the following review helpful:
Absurd, 28 Jun 2001
By A Customer
Former self-styled "Son of God" David Icke kicks off by telling us the Martians invaded Earth, a fact which seems utterly irrelevant to the rest of his thesis, which is that society is being controlled by shape-shifting reptilian beings from the lower fourth dimension (whatever that is). The Queen, Queen Mother, the two George Bushes, and, bizarrely, Boxcar Willie, are all accused of being murderous blood-drinking paedophile rapist reptiles. If that isn't mind-boggling enough, Icke also tells us that the Earth is hollow, Doctors and nurses help control us by vaccinating us, and all sorts of other paranoid nonsense. Icke's writing style is erratic and juvenile and at times hard to follow, and his claims are totally outrageous... He also attempts to cajole the reader by claiming those who disagree with him have a "sense of possibility the size of a pea" are "dependent on their present belief system" and "cannot cope emotionally with what is really going on". Such stuff is an insult to the intelligence.
Icke provides nothing that could be called evidence for his claims, and there is much here that is irrelevant, juvenile and absurd. He seems ignorant of science but has clearly done a lot of reading.
Having said that, the book can be entertaining and funny if not taken seriously.
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If you listen to David Ickes defence on it though, he says OF COURSE people are going to laugh and think its a joke, but you have been educated to have the exact views on what you are taught. You are taught to ridicule such ideas, because as long as you ridicule everything which is different you will never allow yourself to even consider that what he says may, just may have an ounce of truth to it.
What would happen if you went back 2000 years and told people of the technology available now, you would be ridiculed and probably killed in fact. Now go forward 2000 years and tell people how it used to be in good old 2007, again, they would laugh at you, because we live in a short sighted society.
There is a lot of good, valid and retrievable evidence in the book to support a lot of what he says.
Like he points out, you dont think George Bush is actually in charge of America do you? The people that control the countries of the world will never be known, and the truth shall stay secret as long as the world stays exactly as it is now, with people unprepared to consider that the world around us is controlling our every move.
[Edited on 29-11-2007 by Tiger]
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