LeeM
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sayin moderate drinking isnt bad for you etc etc, thats not a positive point, its a neutral point
however... most people drink more than 2 pints yeah? because recommended amount is 3-4 units a day
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Cosmo
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No, I think what they mean is drinking moderate amounts does no harm to your health but also heps relax, where as smoking can also help you relax but isnt good for your health.
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LeeM
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hmmm suppose, but most people do drink too much when they go in a bar!
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John
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The biggest positive drinking point for me was it doesn't kill you like smoking does.
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by John
The biggest positive drinking point for me was it doesn't kill you like smoking does.
in moderation anyhow!
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LeeM
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estimated 40k a year die from alchol related deaths, admittedly its around 100k from smoking, but still goes to show plenty of people die from alcohol and everyone seems to try justify drinking
i'd say thats enough to ban drinking in public as well as smoking
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Hammer
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Report today on the news which said people dying from lung disease in Scotland through passive smoking will eventually be that little it will be negligible over a period of years.
That will do for me for a reason to ban smoking in public places.
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by John
The biggest positive drinking point for me was it doesn't kill you like smoking does.
in moderation anyhow!
That doesn't happen though does it mate?
To be honest (health aside) I would rather drink coca cola in a pub full of smokers as opposed to a pub full of non smoking chav piss heads.
I would be interested to see the stats on alcohol abuse related deaths to those smoking related ones...
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John
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We're all forgetting the fact that smoking is cool though.
Smokers have a right to smoke if they want so it's ok to kill other people.
The other people shouldn't go to the pub if they don't want to die.
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John
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Alcohol abuse, general drinking of alcohol and smoking are all different.
Obviously if you abuse drink it can also lead to killing you.
Smoking kills though, cold hard fact.
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Robin
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but alcohol related deaths are probably statistically higher.
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by lee_wee
estimated 40k a year die from alchol related deaths, admittedly its around 100k from smoking, but still goes to show plenty of people die from alcohol and everyone seems to try justify drinking
i'd say thats enough to ban drinking in public as well as smoking
the difference is smoking (even one fag) can have effect on those around you, hence why it was banned in public. Drinking in moderation will have no effect on those around you.
Drinking to excess in public, which can hurt those around you, is banned in public. Hence how you can get arrested for being drunk and disordelly.
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Nath
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http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact02.html
Deaths caused by smoking
One in two long-term smokers will die prematurely as a result of smoking – half of these in middle age. The most recent estimates show that around 114,000 people in the UK are killed by smoking every year, accounting for one fifth of all UK deaths. [7] Most die from one of the three main diseases associated with cigarette smoking: lung cancer, chronic obstructive lung disease (bronchitis and emphysema) and coronary heart disease. The table below shows the percentage and numbers of deaths attributable to smoking, based on the latest available detailed breakdown (2002 data).
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
The alcohol-related death rate in the UK increased from 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991 to 12.9 in 2005. The number of alcohol-related deaths has more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,386 in 2005. These figures are based on a harmonised definition of alcohol-related deaths that has been agreed across the UK. See Notes below for details.
Death rates are much higher for males than females and the gap between the sexes has widened in recent years. In 2005 the male death rate, at 17.9 deaths per 100,000 population, was more than twice the rate for females (8.3 deaths per 100,000) and males accounted for two thirds of the total number of deaths
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Nath
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Not trying to prove any points, I was curious so looked it up.
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Russ
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cba to read threw, but just incase
im totally addicted to bass
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Robin
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reading that though Nath, the 'smoking' figure, is actually chronic lung disease, lung cancer and heart attacks. heart attacks are not always caused by smoking.
or maybe i read it wrong 
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by Russ
cba to read threw, but just incase
im totally addicted to bass
Someone beat you to it 
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
reading that though Nath, the 'smoking' figure, is actually chronic lung disease, lung cancer and heart attacks. heart attacks are not always caused by smoking.
or maybe i read it wrong
Dunno, said smoking related somewhere, that was enough for me.
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LeeM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
The alcohol-related death rate in the UK increased from 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991 to 12.9 in 2005. The number of alcohol-related deaths has more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,386 in 2005. These figures are based on a harmonised definition of alcohol-related deaths that has been agreed across the UK. See Notes below for details.
Death rates are much higher for males than females and the gap between the sexes has widened in recent years. In 2005 the male death rate, at 17.9 deaths per 100,000 population, was more than twice the rate for females (8.3 deaths per 100,000) and males accounted for two thirds of the total number of deaths
cant work this out, theyre different figures all over the show!
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Cosmo
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thats just deaths, what about all the other problems that come along with smoking which are life changingly serious (amputation, serious breathing issues, etc.)
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by lee_wee
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Originally posted by Nath
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
The alcohol-related death rate in the UK increased from 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991 to 12.9 in 2005. The number of alcohol-related deaths has more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,386 in 2005. These figures are based on a harmonised definition of alcohol-related deaths that has been agreed across the UK. See Notes below for details.
Death rates are much higher for males than females and the gap between the sexes has widened in recent years. In 2005 the male death rate, at 17.9 deaths per 100,000 population, was more than twice the rate for females (8.3 deaths per 100,000) and males accounted for two thirds of the total number of deaths
cant work this out, theyre different figures all over the show!
8,386 in 2005 is the main one surely?
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LeeM
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo
thats just deaths, what about all the other problems that come along with smoking which are life changingly serious (amputation, serious breathing issues, etc.)
or drink drivers that hit people and cabbage them? liver failure? etc
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo
thats just deaths, what about all the other problems that come along with smoking which are life changingly serious (amputation, serious breathing issues, etc.)
same can be said for alcohol though, deaths by drink driving, deaths by falling out of a window when drunk, being stabbed by a drunken knob, liver disease.
tbh, its a pointless argument.
smoking is bad, yes.
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LeeM
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
quote:
Originally posted by lee_wee
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Originally posted by Nath
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091
The alcohol-related death rate in the UK increased from 6.9 per 100,000 population in 1991 to 12.9 in 2005. The number of alcohol-related deaths has more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,386 in 2005. These figures are based on a harmonised definition of alcohol-related deaths that has been agreed across the UK. See Notes below for details.
Death rates are much higher for males than females and the gap between the sexes has widened in recent years. In 2005 the male death rate, at 17.9 deaths per 100,000 population, was more than twice the rate for females (8.3 deaths per 100,000) and males accounted for two thirds of the total number of deaths
cant work this out, theyre different figures all over the show!
8,386 in 2005 is the main one surely?
i found this one
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/drugsearch/ds_results.asp?file=%5Cwip%5C11%5C1%5C1%5Cdeaths.html
Alcohol
Estimates of annual alcohol-related deaths in England and Wales vary from 5,000 to 40,000. This includes deaths from cirrhosis of the liver and other health problems from long-term drinking, deliberate and accidental overdose, traffic deaths, fatal accidents while drunk etc
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LeeM
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Cosmo
thats just deaths, what about all the other problems that come along with smoking which are life changingly serious (amputation, serious breathing issues, etc.)
same can be said for alcohol though, deaths by drink driving, deaths by falling out of a window when drunk, being stabbed by a drunken knob, liver disease.
tbh, its a pointless argument.
smoking is bad, yes.
seem to be a little slower than me tonight  i also agree smoking is worse than drinking, but everyone seems to try to say "ah drinkins fine, now stop killing me with ure cig*proceeds to neck 5 sambuca's and a turbo shandy*"
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