Jambo
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Not flawed Steve, just not obvious effects.
Crime from dependancy on drugs, the time i had to call an ambuklance out to my work as some stinking tramp had od'd on heroin the night before? Who paid for that?
The fact that the nhs is under more "strain" as such from people drugged/pissed out the brians and hurting themselves and or others on a friday and saturday night rather than a waiting list for people requiring lung operations
You will suffer no ill effect from passive smoking that you have inhaled steve i garuntee it. If you are suceptable to lung cancer or it is heredatory then i suggest you avoid city centres, big open fields aeroplanes, boats, mines, dusty enclosed spaces and oh yeah smokers.
In fact probably best to lock yourself into an airtight room on a drip. that way you wont become harmed 
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C2RL R
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Originally posted by Jambo
Save on the NHS  PMSL
Have you ANY idea the amount of taxes smokers pay the government?! A BUCKET load more than its costs them to give them treatment.
The NHS will be at a loss not a gain.
just telling you what the government have said. i am well aware of the amount of taxes smokers pay.
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Steve
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I dont know how you can say you will suffer no ill effect from passive smoking when it has been proven otherwise, and people have in fact died from passive smoking
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Robin
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People have died from other people drinking.
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Jambo
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find me the facts steve, it had been proven just like smoking has to highten your chances at contracting diseases etc IT WILL NOT DEFINATELY KILL YOU. Thats the bit the media and paranoid people like yoursleves have created.
My nan is 80, smoked since she was 9 and still alive and well. My other nan died at the age of 84 she never smoked.
Its not a garuntee, its not a definate answer. ITs an advisory measure. Thats all.
You will never gain ill health from passive smoking you have inhaled in all those seedy gay bars you drink in, as said stop whining about something that doesnt exist
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Steve
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yes they have but like i said all incidents.
also trying to compare smoking to say taking drugs is silly because we are all forgetting that class A drugs are also banned.
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Steve
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Originally posted by Jambo
find me the facts steve, it had been proven just like smoking has to highten your chances at contracting diseases etc IT WILL NOT DEFINATELY KILL YOU. Thats the bit the media and paranoid people like yoursleves have created.
My nan is 80, smoked since she was 9 and still alive and well. My other nan died at the age of 84 she never smoked.
Its not a garuntee, its not a definate answer. ITs an advisory measure. Thats all.
You will never gain ill health from passive smoking you have inhaled in all those seedy gay bars you drink in, as said stop whining about something that doesnt exist
my grandad died a slow agonising death at 79 in my spare room at home from smoking
whats your point? smoking kills, thats a fact, it may not necessarily kill you but you stand a good chance
iv seen documentaries on passive smoking and spoken to the doctors when treating my grandad.
passive smoke is more lethal than directly inhaled smoke from the fag itself
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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Robin
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yes they have but like i said all incidents.
As are the one off incidents of people who die from passive smoking.
My dad died from cancer, he smoked, they were not connected, the doctor told him it 100% had NOTHING to do with it.
SOME people die from smoking related ilnesses, some people die from the same illness when they've never smoked, so how can anyone be sure that smoking DEFINITELY makes things worse if it happens to non smokers to?
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nova_gteuk
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peopele die due to people using cars should that be banned,
people die due to people drinking should that be banned to.
i enjoyed smoking when i did,so if they stop me form doing something i enjoy why should you be able to do things you do such as driving?
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Jambo
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Steve: Smoking hightens the chances of tyou getting lung cancer, so does breathing in toxic fumes in central london everyday. it will not definately happen, it might not, it might you wont know till its too late. But its not a certainty so stop treating it like it is you are blowing "facts" out of proportion
Drugs however DO cause IMMEDIETE effect ot the community and people in contact and close contact with people who use. Its FAR more detremental to society and its ignored. Instead people seem hell bent on banning smoking as that will miraculasly cure society of evil. Its nothing short of silyl and pathetic but as mentioned i dont smoke and if i did i always did it outside so wouldnt bother me anyweay i just hate injustice and people beleiving things that arent true
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
yes they have but like i said all incidents.
As are the one off incidents of people who die from passive smoking.
My dad died from cancer, he smoked, they were not connected, the doctor told him it 100% had NOTHING to do with it.
SOME people die from smoking related ilnesses, some people die from the same illness when they've never smoked, so how can anyone be sure that smoking DEFINITELY makes things worse if it happens to non smokers to?
have you seen an xray or disection of a lung from a terminal smoker? i suggest you look then tell me smoking causes no damage
even if they havent had cancer or any disease still look at the lungs and tell me it doesnt do any harm
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Steve
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Originally posted by Jambo
Steve: Smoking hightens the chances of tyou getting lung cancer, so does breathing in toxic fumes in central london everyday. it will not definately happen, it might not, it might you wont know till its too late. But its not a certainty so stop treating it like it is you are blowing "facts" out of proportion
Drugs however DO cause IMMEDIETE effect ot the community and people in contact and close contact with people who use. Its FAR more detremental to society and its ignored. Instead people seem hell bent on banning smoking as that will miraculasly cure society of evil. Its nothing short of silyl and pathetic but as mentioned i dont smoke and if i did i always did it outside so wouldnt bother me anyweay i just hate injustice and people beleiving things that arent true
yes which is why drugs are banned, and why smoking should be too
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Robin
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yes which is why drugs are banned, and why smoking should be too
So where are the 'drug police'?
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Steve
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so if smoking can kill, which lets face it it can, and if passive fumes are more lethal than directly inhaled fumes, surely the obvious conclusion would be passive smoking can also harm?
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Steve
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the images speak for themselves. But we all know smoking causes damage the main issue here is passive smoking which can also cause as much damage
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Jambo
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Steve sorry to hear your grandad died slow and painfully, my nan did too, but hey she didnt smoke so i guess its just bad luck huh?
Your grandad lived to 79 and he smoked? Surely this isnt possible 
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Originally posted by Kano
Best thing theyve done in this country for years.. stops ignorant arseholes making you breath in their smoke wherever you are.
All we need now is for smoking to be banned completely and the jobs done...
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Robin
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Originally posted by Steve
have you seen an xray or disection of a lung from a terminal smoker? i suggest you look then tell me smoking causes no damage
even if they havent had cancer or any disease still look at the lungs and tell me it doesnt do any harm
Key word.
You disect the liver of an alcoholic, it'll be fucked, but alcohol doesn't kill everyone.
I also disagree with the last point. On the TV the other day, was a doctor who measured the lung capacity of 2 people, one smoker, one non smoker, smoker had more capacity.
That tells you nothing, the same as your 'facts'
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Steve
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exaclty robin its caused damage in some form even if its not death.
by breathing passive smoke, even if it doesnt kill you, will be causing harm, even if minor, nobody has the right to make you breath smoke which will cause you harm no matter how small
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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Steve
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do you/have you smoked robin?
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nova_gteuk
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nobody has the right to make you breath smoke which will cause you harm no matter how small
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
Yet the smoke you make from your exhaust is ok?
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Robin
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You might want to re-read what I said Steve.
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Steve
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no iv already said its not ok, but considering i have to drive its unavoidable, but smoking is 
im not sure why this is so har dto understand
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who sits next to your exhaust with a pint breathing in the fumes 
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Steve
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You might want to re-read what I said Steve.
i read it robin the smoker may just have had larger capacity lungs anyway, smoking causes other damage other than lung capacity also, its effects your arteries and can cause coronary disease aswell, the smoker could well have keeled over tomorrow of coronary heart disease.
the smokers lungs will have been in a worse state than the non smokers
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