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I wasn't talking about religions but religion is all about having faith.
There might not be any original factual proof but I would still hope you had taken the time to learn about your religion and others so then you would have something to base your opinion on.
What were you talking about then
Ive studied many different religion at school in RE - there all as weird & messed up at eachother!
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Yes there are lots of people who say 'im entitled to my opinion'.
If your opinion isn't based on any sort of fact or research towards the subject and just totally made up then yes it is your opinion but imo not at all valid.
Surely your chosen religion is just 'your opinion' of creation, life, death, ritual, believes etc etc etc
But your saying without hard facts its not valid
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but having an opinion on a religion without knowing anything about it is what John is trying to make a point about....
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but having an opinion on a religion without knowing anything about it is what John is trying to make a point about....
You mean like this??
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your opinion is not always right. especially if you talk about things you haven't even read about, learned about, looked into its depth and more.
many people believe in the Big Bang but yet don't know what it is and whether it actually took place and what was there before the Big Bang is all a matter of speculations. It's only a theory which apparently might be classed as fictitious. And yet many believe in it.
Scientology is a religion just like any other but there its been noncensed by someone without knowing the facts
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Saying the big bang theory is speculation & fictitious is on the same line as saying Allah did not exist!
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no, Abdus is arguing the same point as John. he isn't saying that other beliefs are wrong, he's saying that peoples opinions of other beliefs are often misguided, and narrow minded.
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No its not.
Theories are just that, theories.
But to have a valid theory you need to follow laws that are fact.
My original point was about people using the fact it's their own opinion for spouting absolute rubbish on any subject but yes it does cover religion as well.
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Originally posted by robmarriott
no, Abdus is arguing the same point as John. he isn't saying that other beliefs are wrong, he's saying that peoples opinions of other beliefs are often misguided, and narrow minded.
Yes about his own religion then totally wrote off another religion as being false.
Thats as narrow minded as hes making us out to be!!
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No its not.
Theories are just that, theories.
But to have a valid theory you need to follow laws that are fact.
My original point was about people using the fact it's their own opinion for spouting absolute rubbish on any subject but yes it does cover religion as well.
All religion is just theory though 
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You can't compare a scientific theory and a religion.
Well you could try but it's useless.
I would actually like you to show me how a scientific theory proven by known laws is in any way similar to a religion.
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You can't compare a scientific theory and a religion.
Well you could try but it's useless.
I would actually like you to show me how a scientific theory proven by known laws is in any way similar to a religion.
Thousands of people worldwide believe in it thus its a recognised religion.
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I don't know whether you just aren't getting what i'm trying to say or just trying to argue?
I'm not saying anything about religions not being valid.
My views on religion are absed on everything I have learned over the years and nothing to do with what i'm saying.
But still, because loads of people believe in something still doesn't make it valid.
Scientists just don't believe in theories, they are intensely scrutinised and checked over before they are widely accepted and again they won't be if not based on fact.
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Your not getting what im saying...or dodging around it!
Science can proove more than religion in many ways. If I was religious I would believe in whatever made most sense to me!!
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But still, because loads of people believe in something still doesn't make it valid.
For example your own faith??????
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Yes about his own religion then totally wrote off another religion as being false.
Thats as narrow minded as hes making us out to be!!
When did I ever say or 'totally wrote off another religion as false'?
I never even stated what my religion is. And I never said any word against any religion nor do I make bad opinions on people who can't/don't believe in anything...
narrow minded people are people who can't accept other people's opinions or beliefs or try to look into things in different angles...
[Edited on 27-09-2006 by abdus]
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I agree with that abdus.
Even when I don't agree with other opinions, which happens quite a lot, I like to think I have at least tried to look at it from the opposing perspective before making my judgement.
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This thread is hurting my brain now! 
To summarise:
- Let's agree to disagree
- This debate will literally go on forever
- Ignorant assholes on here need to STFU or get an education
Thank you please. 
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narrow minded people are people who can't accept other people's opinions or beliefs or try to look into things in different angles...
so does that make you narrow minded for not seeing things from myself or colins perspective etc then
[Edited on 27-09-2006 by Steve]
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Its all about respect Steve, people need to respect other peoples views more...
Abdus hasn't disrespected anyones views, he's argued a point well, unlike some people in this thread.
Sam got it right anyway... there is no point arguing.
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look at his statement again, he is not accepting my view that religion is a load of poo, thats just my view im not telling anyone what they should or shouldnt do, but i am being called narrowminded here, but surely making that statement alone is full of hypocricy?
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Abdus hasn't slated anyones views, beliefs or rituals though.
i can't see where you think he has done? (if i've missed it, i apologise)
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Look at my point though steve.
If your point is based on valid reasoning from the information you have to hand then it's a fair point.
If you had just made that up from nothing then imo its not valid even though it is your opinion.
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