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Originally posted by Jizinho Silva 10
I'm not contesting anyone's theories, but what I want to know is why would these airports be shut down, causing money loss and inconvenience, striking most of the general public with fear, potentially damaging the travel industry for a while after, all for it to be a bit of exageration and mockery? Why would they do this?
Ive not read the whole post but I would have thought this would be clear!!! After 9/11 & London sub bombings & now some 'british muslims' are found at the airport with some form of a bomb/explosive.....the place has to be shut down & investigated. would you want to be put at risk should something have been missed the 1st time round!!!
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thats not what happened.
only 2 of the SUSPECTS are muslim.
they werent at the airport.
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Originally posted by Woollard
3rd world countries didnt have the means to evolve when we did, and now they do they are too busy getting exploited by us and other super powers to be able to.
left to their own devices, they would, or they'd die. which is what happenes to animals, which is what humans are. survival of the fittest. if they cant fend for themselves....
in the middle east, if they are left to their own devices, they'll kill eachother and there wont be conflict anymore. us getting involved creates problems here which otherwise wouldnt happen...
I would imagine it being very hard to make a go of life & evolve when you have absolutelly nothing to call yours & a government that will take anything that it wants!!
[Edited on 10-08-2006 by JadeM]
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Originally posted by robmarriott
thats not what happened.
only 2 of the SUSPECTS are muslim.
they werent at the airport.
Well whatever has happened which neither of us know, a threats a threat & I personally dont fancy getting killed by some maniac extremist!!!
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yes you do.... dont be shy
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ok i just skipped thoosands of pages but this is my view.
after fucking up and not intersecting the terror plot for sep 11th, they have decided to make up that there has been one so the world has trust in these people again, or so they seem "on top" of things. I think it has all been planned. just becuse it was kept so quiet. these things always always leek out.
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think that sums it up, lawrah
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Ian
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Try flying today and sitting smug saying its a con. I was bloody scared.
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I'm flying on either the 9th, 10th or 11th of September, not looking forward to it now 
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theres nothing fake about this ffs, theres no huge conspiracy theory... gove it afew days!
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Originally posted by Jizinho Silva 10
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Originally posted by Woollard
at the end of the day, its all to do with religion. thats the problem.
I think it's more to do with manipulation than religion, religion is just a mask for it.
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Originally posted by robmarriott
not completely. there are thousands of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs in this country who just go about their life without plotting to kill people, so its not all down to religion. IMO
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but thats not to do with religion. thats to do with being a coward and claiming that it was religion which made you do it.
i genuinely feel bad for all the minority religions who are getting bad press because of these few extremists who are blaming religion for their actions.
people need to differentiate between religious people, and people using it as justification.
but in some cases, religion causes problems.
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I was in Turkey when we heard that Heathrow was closed due to terrorist activity. We didn't have much information, but the plane flew anyway, to Heathrow albeit delayed and not knowing whether we were going to be able to land. To say I was glad to touch down safely is rather an understatement.
I'm not well up on the situation but I'm pretty much decided now that UK shouldn't really be involved. I'm assuming a link with Israels actions and this plan. Or something else the UK is poking its nose in to.
I'm also not clear why Israel even need to invade Lebanon, or why Bush needs to endorse it. War on Terror my ass. Just leave them to it.
agree to all these statement
Not this:
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Originally posted by robmarriott
so Islam is a dangerous religion?
for some obvious reasons because if the Muslims follow their religion closely, they shouldn't be doing any suicidal attacks because suicide is forbidden is Islam for whateever cause it might be.
If the follow their religion closely, they must not retaliate/fight in any of the ways they (the people who claim to be Muslim extremists) do it now
extremism appears everywhere, not only religion.
Even BEARDY is being an extremist these days with his twin engine project 
[Edited on 11-08-2006 by abdus]
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Excellent thread.
I think one thing, which seems to ring true with all conflict be it past/present. Is properganda and lack of information/facts can SERIOUSLY affect public opinion. My opinions are based on the what i know.
Now im the first to admit im not totally clued up to the complete situation and ive listened to alot of peoples views on this. So my opinion may not be as correct as it should be due to a lack of knolledge..
There is however a few basic rules you can apply to make things seem true/false.
Money makes the world go round, and war is the biggest business known to man..
The founding prinipal for any society is war. Even when we are not "at war" we are still somewhere, involved in a conflict of some sort. This is due to a number of things. It is closely linked to what Mr marriot said about WW2 and poland:
In WW2, we did help the polish, but this was not just because a free nation was being opressed. Or becuase they were slaughtering jews (was not known/understood untill 1943. Eisenhower did nothing) It was first and foremost the fact that if we let germany waltz through poland, CZ, France, belguim, holland etc etc then we would have been 100 % fucked. The entire land mass of europe would be their "base" enabling them to have a wealth of resources to bomb/kill theshit out of us. We would have fallen in weeks. You need to scatter the enemy and make it weak. You cant just take on the whole of europe as we are only very small.
We are a small island and very vunerable, a land that doesnt produce petrol etc its all imported. From where? Yup the middle east. If the oil supply's came to a halt. England and america would be on there knees. No cars, trains planes generators people panicking into mass hysteria etc.
So of course they want to be in the middle east and have some sort of say in whats going on? How else are we/they going to stay safe? Its survival of the fittest and we are fittest hence why we keep shitting on the poor countries. But if you are niave enough to think that if left to their own devices they wouldnt realise this power they hold over the west and not use it for wealth/ransom/deals then you are severely mistaken. People forget the 2nd world war were mass genocide and the slaughter of millions and millions of human life was only 60 years ago. Thats not even a generation. The world hasnt changed as much as you'd think.
The reason alot of these extremist fuckers blow us/usa up is due to the fact we are bombing the shit out of their cousins. Right or wrong whichever way you look at it you can see the reason, and its not as crazy as you think. The self sacrafice is not something new either, japs have been doing that for years.
So essentially, as mentioned the world is heading in the same direction it was in 1930's, wealth and depression extremes of everything and public unrest and ill education and a lack of unity.
We are heading for a MASSIVE war, civil or world wide. All i know is that when i start a family i was planning on having a small family but i am no breeding for the future, sounds wacky im the last of my family name and i am also making sure there are plenty of English people around for when this all goes tits up.
Its a very horrible world we live in, and it all stems from how the post 1945 stratergy was employed. It has set us up for this downfall 
All of the above is my opinion and im ready for a flaming 
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Looks like i killed the thread with my essay 
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Originally posted by Jambo
The reason alot of these extremist fuckers blow us/usa up is due to the fact we are bombing the shit out of their cousins. Right or wrong whichever way you look at it you can see the reason, and its not as crazy as you think. The self sacrafice is not something new either, japs have been doing that for years.
why are you bombing their cousins? for what reasons?
extremism is something started by the US themselves. it has more sides to it than just religion.
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I mean, we go to saudi arabia to look for osama bin laden. Apprently for a "war on terror" then out of no-where we invade and severely destroy bagdad thats 2 countries we have a military presence in and some form of control. Then we start looking at iran. Its a peice by peice infiltration of the middle east to control it. Simple as. Under the "banner" war on terror. I,e trying to find WMD's that oooops, werent there. Wonder why.
So the extreme wings of muslims/jihad/whateva u want ot call it, see this going on, the invasion of their countries and people wonder why they run around blowing themselves up?
Religeon as mentioned before is a mask/excuse to channell their desire to punish the west for invading the east.
Thats a very general way of putting it, but how i think it is.
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so, understand this, we could come to the conclude that it's the West ( meaning the US and its allies) who are responsible to the 'terror' acts, that the suicide bombers are only reacting to the invasion and occupation.
So to sum it up, the 'terrorists' has a cause (trying to remove the invader and oppressor) for their 'actions'..So it's all justified.
Blame on the US and its allies. Simple
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Agreed. It seems to be lost in translation, that they are all religeous nutters sent to punish us for drinking alcohol. WRONG>
Its more like we are opresing the middle east, and they are reacting to it. This doesnt mean i agree with suicide bombings, or bombings of an sort. Its just they are not doing it without IMO a just cause.
We are fucking lame for following, but were kinda stuck in a rut, we have to follow america as if we were to not help, we could jeapordise international relations with a military superpower AND as the oil thing concerns us just as much out involvement is needed.
Blame the US and the nature of polotics 
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abdus, my question about Islam being dangerous was to highlight the fact that it isnt. 
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JadeM
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So are you saying we should just remove our troops from Iraq etc & let them get on with it....take no interest in the middle east AT ALL 
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abdus, my question about Islam being dangerous was to highlight the fact that it isnt.
I would say followers of Islam are dangerous, you seen them on tv....fuck me there all mental!!!!
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some.
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JadeM
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^^Thats just the ones in London!!!
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they're just fucked off that it was immediately assumed that the terror threat was of Muslim origin.
Like i said to my brother last night... If the 'terrorists' were Christian, there would be no mention of religion in the papers.
it wouldnt have said "Christians kill 56 in london bombs", it just wouldnt happen...
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Far from it Kolin.
Its not "right/fair" BUT. Life is survival of the fittest and we rely as the west on fossil fuels, and not just because of the practicalities its where the money is, that and war. So comibne the 2???
In an ideal world it would be ace to leave those poor fuckers alone, but it would be a dangerous descision. We need to somehow have better relations with them i guess, to void the need for bloodshed?
Im not clever enough to come up with a better idea, but its a very crap situation for everybody to be in, the middle eastern countries especially.
So im sure a decent soloution will appear eventually or the worst will happen!
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These images reflect the aftermath of a 'joke' cartoon of the mahammad bloke!!!! I believe these to be ordinary muslim people!!!? Look mental enough to me!!!
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