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Originally posted by Jason Iles
I made the news, stopped the M5 Traffic, at half 1 Saturday. Hit a truck and the armco, due to aqua plaining.
Lucky I had loads of witness's and was only doing 70, span 5 times in total and am very lucky to be alive 
 no offense jase but if it's that wet why were you doing 70mph
because you dont allways now how much water there is and if your gonna acuaplane till your on it.
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Originally posted by Jason Iles
I made the news, stopped the M5 Traffic, at half 1 Saturday. Hit a truck and the armco, due to aqua plaining.
Lucky I had loads of witness's and was only doing 70, span 5 times in total and am very lucky to be alive
no offense jase but if it's that wet why were you doing 70mph
because you dont allways now how much water there is and if your gonna acuaplane till your on it.
if it's wet enough to cause aquaplaning you should not be doing 70 mph and if you don;t know then still why would you be driving at that speed
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Nismo
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Ross you really can be a chump sometimes , ive lost the back end plenty of times in mine in the wet and in the dry , you just dont understand rwd.
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Jules S
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hardluck mate....glad to hear you're ok 
RWD heh? who'd have it....
have the GEO sorted on the new one, it can make a massive improvement to aquaplaning
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Adam-D
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so what exactly happened
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Ian
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Read the thread?
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Adam-D
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i did sommit about water and a truck
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Originally posted by Nismo
Ross you really can be a chump sometimes , ive lost the back end plenty of times in mine in the wet and in the dry , you just dont understand rwd.
 crusing at 70 should not cause the back end to go out nismo
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it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
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it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
this is true if theres a fluctuation say if one rear wheel loses traction depending on if there's a lsd fitted or not it causes it to step out
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Jules S
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Its almost impossible to comment about this really, unless you know all the circumstances 
Sounds like jase did what he thought best to avoid the truck, S2K's are universally renound for having VERY twitchy rear ends in the wet..
when he bought it i told him to get it on the nearest skid pan, cos he may need to 'lose' the car to understand what it does when you lose control....that advice still stands for the next one jase
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
u need to get out of the punto world and into a different world. I have aquaplaned in a 4wd, doing 70-80, and belive me it aint fun. Im sure kolin posted about losing his scooby on a motorway due to aquaplaning, and lucky to be keeping it on the road. me and kolin are both 4wd so had fwd to relay on, jase didnt, once back end went it went, its a case of hold on for the ride.
ignore spelling mistakes, ive been drinking
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
this is true if theres a fluctuation say if one rear wheel loses traction depending on if there's a lsd fitted or not it causes it to step out
True to an extent.....with RWD the front destabilises first, lightening the back end and hence the drive. Like he said, unless you know/do something about it pretty quick you aint going to be going straight...
luckily the fronts on mine are like bicycle wheels, and the scaredstiff geo has worked wonders for stablility
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Drew,
wasnt that what Jr was saying?
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
aqua plaining is not the same as the back end going out.
when it's wet like that you don't travel at 70mph.
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Drew,
wasnt that what Jr was saying?
i didnt read - read my small writing 
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Drew
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oh also i wasnt meant to quote jr - was meant to quote vibs 
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Originally posted by Drew
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
u need to get out of the punto world and into a different world. I have aquaplaned in a 4wd, doing 70-80, and belive me it aint fun. Im sure kolin posted about losing his scooby on a motorway due to aquaplaning, and lucky to be keeping it on the road. me and kolin are both 4wd so had fwd to relay on, jase didnt, once back end went it went, its a case of hold on for the ride.
ignore spelling mistakes, ive been drinking
only think Kolins ever lost on the motorway was his bottle
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
aqua plaining is not the same as the back end going out.
when it's wet like that you don't travel at 70mph.
Im with ross on this one. When it was really wet on motorways, i always stayed around 60mph, my corsa had a nack of locking up easily. Even more so if you have a high pwered RWD car. wouldnt go over 60 for sure.
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Drew
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i agree about taking it easy when u have rwd car, but ive never driven a rwd car, i only know fwd, and 4wd, and with 4wd, there is no need (most of the time) to take it easy
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by jr
it does if you aquaplain as you lose traction, car there fore become unstable, most likey thing in this situation is you wont be going in a stright line for much longer
with a rear wheel drive car and a loss of traction means the back is likely to step out
aqua plaining is not the same as the back end going out.
when it's wet like that you don't travel at 70mph.
Im with ross on this one. When it was really wet on motorways, i always stayed around 60mph, my corsa had a nack of locking up easily. Even more so if you have a high pwered RWD car. wouldnt go over 60 for sure.
I remember coming back from The National Meet last year and that was horrendous. It was raining so heavily I stopped at Watford Gap as it was dangerous. Cars were still flying by doing 70+ in the outside lane. It was the heaviest rain i'd seen in a long time.
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Ian
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Ross - thats why they're called accidents. Stop being a wise ass after the event.
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Drew
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Ross - thats why they're called accidents. Stop being a wise ass after the event.
ooooooooo - the photo taking clinch seems to have been lost 
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Jules S
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TBH, like I said we really cant comment given we dont know all the facts....you would have to be there to fully understand what happened.....
given my experiences of s2k's it wouldnt have mattered much if he was doing 60 or 70. once they go, you need reactions like neo and a huge amount of skill and experience to save the day
combined with a motorway scenario he was a lucky boy indeed
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