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so what does this extra tax do to ACTUALLY stop it damaging others health? what about 4x4's in london on short journeys, they are mor e harmful to the air thats breathed then cigarette smoke.
Replace "4x4's" with "motor vehicles" and "London" with "any settlement".
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Robin
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I'm not saying it's ok to be addicted to smoking  where did you get that idea from?
I'm saying that if it's a taxable addiction, so should ALL the others, ie. alcohol, drugs, sex, chocolate, whatever.
ONLY making one of them licensable is wrong.
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I need to walk through it to get in or out of any building now
So the 'ban' has made it worse for you?
Unlucky 
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MikeE
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
so what does this extra tax do to ACTUALLY stop it damaging others health? what about 4x4's in london on short journeys, they are mor e harmful to the air thats breathed then cigarette smoke.
fucking right mate. i smoke and i know its a waste of money and its fcuking me up in the long run but thats the smokers problem not everyone elses.
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BarnshaW
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it is blatantly just another way for the government to charge and target a group of individuals. why should heroin addicts be given free needles? why should heroin addicts be given methodone or whatever it is. who pays for all that?
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John
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None of the things you've gave there give you a physical addiction afaik Robin, nictoine does though, so totally different.
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James_DT
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Originally posted by Robin
I'm not saying it's ok to be addicted to smoking where did you get that idea from?
I'm saying that if it's a taxable addiction, so should ALL the others, ie. alcohol, drugs, sex, chocolate, whatever.
ONLY making one of them licensable is wrong.
Alcohol is heavily taxed, but drinkers aren't made out to be the personification of evil by the media.
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Originally posted by MikeE
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
so what does this extra tax do to ACTUALLY stop it damaging others health? what about 4x4's in london on short journeys, they are mor e harmful to the air thats breathed then cigarette smoke.
fucking right mate. i smoke and i know its a waste of money and its fcuking me up in the long run but thats the smokers problem not everyone elses.
The argument is, that smoke can be breathed in by other people, so it's not just their problem. They're outside now, so it's not really a problem any more.
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Robin
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Alcoholism isn't a phyisical addiction?
Drug addiction isn't a physical addiction?
Ok
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BarnshaW
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james_dt what difference does it make if ur standing outside a club breathing in cigarette smoke OR fumes from a 8MPG 4x4? both damaging to you.
its just a scam and the government will target smokers because they know that all the non-smokers wont give a shit about it
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MikeE
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im going outside in the cold for a cig im so cool
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John
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Does alcohol make your standard person physically addicted to it?
I drink and my body doesn't feel like it needs it?
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BarnshaW
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Originally posted by John
Does alcohol make your standard person physically addicted to it?
I drink and my body doesn't feel like it needs it?
i smoke but i can go days without one... i dont mind standing outside to smoke as i genuinely agree people in a pub/club shouldnt have to sit there and smoke BUT i dont agree with taxing people for fags when they are already paying copious amounts of tax anyway
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Robin
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Alcohol and nicotine are both physical addictions John, as, arguably, are most drugs.
Whatever you're going to argue now, that's the way it is.
If you're going to say one thing and mean another, there's no point in continuing with this thread.
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Jules S
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I have another idea
Since the Govt seem to like taxing things, they only ever tax things we enjoy doing, and they only target people in a captive area (smokers/drinkers/petrol users)
Lets have a tax rate/licence to watch soaps?
Over night (ok week nights) the power usage of the UK would plummet....think of the savings CO2 emissions people 
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John
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I don't agree with most things that are taxed tbh, I hate the govt.
If I smoked I would probably feel the same as you.
Luckily I don't though and it is 100% a dirty habit no matter how many people argue its not, you're breathing in the stuff we drive cars on among about a million other things.
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CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Jules S
I have another idea
Since the Govt seem to like taxing things, they only ever tax things we enjoy doing, and they only target people in a captive area (smokers/drinkers/petrol users)
Lets have a tax rate/licence to watch soaps?
Over night (ok week nights) the power usage of the UK would plummet....think of the savings CO2 emissions people
TV licence?
[Edited on 17-02-2008 by CorsAsh]
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John
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Originally posted by Robin
Alcohol and nicotine are both physical addictions John, as, arguably, are most drugs.
Whatever you're going to argue now, that's the way it is.
If you're going to say one thing and mean another, there's no point in continuing with this thread.
I'm sure anything can be addictive if you do it enough.
The majority of drinkers don't have a physical need to do it, the same can't be said for smokers.
Some drinkers do get addicted and some do cause trouble, the same can be said about a lot of things.
EVERY smoker causes health problems for theirselves and others.
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BarnshaW
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so ur telling me when u walk past a smoker or two outside a club your going to get lung cancer? id like to see a case where someone contracts cancer or a disease from walking past people outside public places smoking
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John
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Thats not what i'm saying.
Somebody could smoke 100 a day and not get cancer.
The chance is there though and I shouldn't have to take that risk.
Snoking ban has been really good though, I don't really mind it outside although its worse now when you do get a facefull as its not common like it used to be.
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James_DT
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
james_dt what difference does it make if ur standing outside a club breathing in cigarette smoke OR fumes from a 8MPG 4x4? both damaging to you.
I hear you, but my point was that it's all motor vehicles. Don't pick the 4x4 out like the government are picking smokers out.
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BarnshaW
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must be different where you are because around here all the places have allocated smoking areas which are usually outside the back or front of clubs/pubs.
thing is, nowadays if you get caught with cannabis the police will just confiscate it and tell u off, why not fine them £30? why shouldnt they be taxed on something which they have not paid tax on AND is illegal?
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Robin
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In theory you're correct John, but in practice, I'd say being stabbed by a drunken knob is more damaging than inhaling smoke in the pub on the same evening.
I know not every drinker turns into a rabid maniac when they've had a few, but a startling majority do lose control of their faculties.
People forget that not all smokers are cunts, some of them are considerate and won't smoke outside of their own house/car, or if there's a non smoker in either of them.
They may cause health problems for themselves, but that's their own choice.
It's not my choice anymore, but it's also not my choice to be stabbed in the street because someone can't handle their drink, but I can't do anything to eliminate that risk.
I can reduce the risk of inhaling smoke though, it's simple, just don't stand in the smoking area, or use another door to get into the pub.
BTW, I smoked, I gave up. It was easy, so I'd argue that nicotine 'addiction' is the same as alcohol 'addiction' in the way that it doesn't happen to everyone 
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Originally posted by CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Jules S
I have another idea
Since the Govt seem to like taxing things, they only ever tax things we enjoy doing, and they only target people in a captive area (smokers/drinkers/petrol users)
Lets have a tax rate/licence to watch soaps?
Over night (ok week nights) the power usage of the UK would plummet....think of the savings CO2 emissions people
TV licence?
[Edited on 17-02-2008 by CorsAsh]
Not my point Ash.
This is all about tax, if you pay £5+ for a packet of cigarettes of course you will pay £10/year for a licence to buy them.
It's the same way you pay extra for the same terrestial TV channels via cable/sky.
Believe me. sooner or later some Govt bod will start taxing TV further on the programmes you watch, as its CO2 related. In fact I could quite easily see that happening given the lard arse types that sit in all day watching tv...
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nova_gteuk
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Driving is a dirtier habit than smoking,affecting wildlife and the planet and you and me.
But,thats ok aslong as im not in a room full of smokers 
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