Richie
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Originally posted by Steve
so his comment should be, my opinion is i wouldnt like to see him back, not stating its not going to happen, as he has no control over it whatsoever other than his opinion
Why on earth are you nit picking? Why are you trying to make out you have some authority on what people should be saying?
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Ian
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Originally posted by gianluigi
But I'm sure people can change, look at Steve.
Look at Steves sig. Look at the fact Steve called someone a fat fuck the other day and caused all manner of complaints. Look at him posting the word 'dead' for no reason. Not the best example.
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Ian
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Originally posted by Steve
so he has access to press the ban button?
So what? We discussed it. This isn't about who has what haxxor features on their appz.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Ian
Look at Steves sig. Look at the fact Steve called someone a fat fuck the other day and caused all manner of complaints. Look at him posting the word 'dead' for no reason. Not the best example.
Lips off punk? 
As for Mav having authority to Ban, isn't that the site owners discression as the permissions, not some random user with keyboard who's typing away random stuff?
Just a thought.
Its like someone telling me that I can't cook the dinner I bought in my own house....
[Edited on 01-02-2008 by VXR]
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Steve
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im not trying to cause an argument here, im pointing out that a lot of staff on here have posted positive remarks about ojc, all i can see is mav and richie posting bad stuff?
[Edited on 01-02-2008 by Steve]
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Richie
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Not posting anything bad at all..... Ive had no comment against OJC apart from clarifying that Ally said that OJC does bring some good to the site.
All i stated is that this has already been raised and the outcome was not to let him back.
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Daimo B
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What goes around comes around.
P1ss off the people living in the house, then your no longer welcome. Don't p1ss on the carpet do you.
I use a bike site and tbh, its a family site and half the stuff and arguements on here wouldn't be tollerated at all. And its a bloody great site too. Not as busy as here, but still busy.
DOn't forget, its not just the regulars/mods that have to read it, its also any new members looking in. Like that XE vs Saxo post in GC, its gone so downhill and petty, if i were late teen who'd just bought a corsa, im not sure i'd want to sign up in fear of getting an online caining......
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gianluigi
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Originally posted by Richie
Not posting anything bad at all..... Ive had no comment against OJC apart from clarifying that Ally said that OJC does bring some good to the site.
All i stated is that this has already been raised and the outcome was not to let him back.
could we have a bit more info on that please?
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Ian
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How much more do you need.
There is no dispute that he has the ability and potential to bring things to the site. No issue whatsoever. As you may remember I offered to personally pay the ticket price of anyone bringing a VXR to PVS. That is how much I wanted one there. I want Corsa VXR on this web site. He has one. Therefore I would like his on this web site.
The only problem being - this isn't about the good things - this is about the amount of time that problem users take up and the bad name which problem users bring to this web site.
A great many other places will not tolerate it and furthrmore, moderation policy is not about being 'bought' either by knowledge or choice of vehicle.
I couldn't care if a time served design engineer who has overseen work on every Vauxhall engine since the pushrod registered on here. If they acted a twat and annoyed people they would be as unwelcome as the next man.
The case for coming back is sheer guesswork. We are guessing things will change. We guessed this before and were proven wrong.
We KNOW there have been problems.
We GUESS things will be OK.
Tell me which one I am happier about. Put simply, there is no reason whatsoever why anyone who has let the site down so many times should return.
If anything after the XE/VTS thread there will be more people on the list, not less. We've a new project in the pipeline and much as I said all over that yesterday that CS won't lose really I'm stretching myself, as are other staff and I'm not going to compromise a new project because we have some legacy issues that keep coming back.
Can we also cut through all this 'its not your place' talk.
Anyone in the staff forum will have been party to a particuarly lengthy discussion, the synopsis of which is that he isn't coming back. Plus I actually care what people say when it has substance, ie. moderation is time.
When it doesn't have substance, ie. he's got a good car let him back he'll be lovely honestly this time, I don't care. Its just talk.
[Edited on 01-02-2008 by Ian]
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Ian
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Originally posted by Steve
im not trying to cause an argument here, im pointing out that a lot of staff on here have posted positive remarks about ojc, all i can see is mav and richie posting bad stuff?
I'm the first to be positive about it him, I think its a complete and utter bloody shame but I'm also one of the first to say bad things.
The staff are, as far as I can see, only echoing the consensus of the discussion.
And if they have their own opinions so what - they earnt that right as soon as they read the first thing he posted. What is your issue? That it steers the process? Staff or no staff they can say it isn't going to happen. You would only need my comments to know this. Just so happens that their comments are particularly pertinent as they get to sort it out.
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Steve
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what would you alter about his behaviour that would mean he could exist?
ie. what pissed you off before?
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Ian
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Its all academic Steve. There is no reason why even after everything is itemised and discussed at length that he will actually not create problem posts.
If he or you doesn't know the answer to your question then he's in an even worse position that first appeared.
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Steve
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im just trying to see if he still shares the same qualities that he did before, based on hispostings on vagweb
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Ian
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You mean has he proven his sensibilty on your web site therefore he is OK for here?
Exactly how does on post one day indicate the quality of another post another day? There is no link.
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Steve
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im just going on the fact a couple of months ago he was a twat on vagweb, i unbanned him now hes alright, seems to be ever since he got the vxr
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Ian
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And this guarantees future behaviour how exactly?
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Steve
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it doesnt, but there is one other thing that will always be there, the ban button
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Ian
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So your solution to why he is OK to come back is that I can ban when it gets too much?
Exactly how many times does this cycle go on?
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Steve
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basically you've admitted there is elements where he provides useful info and discussion to the site, so there is motivation there to risk it imo
its not like hes been a twat and will add nothing to the site either, thats a risk not worth taking
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Ian
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There are certainly reasons to do it, massively outweighed by the lack of assurance that he won't just get banned again.
Facts are you CANNOT ensure he will not need another ban. CANNOT. Not possible.
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Steve
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thing is when a criminal gets sent down, there is no certainty when hes released he wont do it again, but that doesnt mean he wont be released, it just means if he does do it again he will get sent down again..for longer, punishment is there in the hope to rehabilitate someone
[Edited on 01-02-2008 by Steve]
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Ian
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And most of the time, they reoffend and the government look STUPID.
ps. rehabilitation is there to save money, nothing more. Do you think the government would take risks like that if were not cheaper?
[Edited on 01-02-2008 by Ian]
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Steve
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most of the time, not all the time, a lot of ex criminals now work offering a lot to society
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Ian
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And a lot take the piss out of the people who released them.
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Steve
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there is no satisfactory answer, if you dont do it you will face a load of shit probably from him emailing you, and threads like this, if you do do it then theres a risk he will cause more work clearing his crap up.
however if you take the risk there may be the best solution for all waiting right there
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