Cosmo
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Originally posted by John
Steve and Cosmo are a right couple of scrooges.
Not at all, I fully intend to let my kids believe until they find out themselves. I just dont agree with people saying its wrong to tell his kid, as its his choice so why shouldnt he. You wouldnt argue if he told kids other things arent real...God for one.
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Robin
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Originally posted by Cosmo
Robin, that is all in your opinion. Others dont see it that way, for whatever reason they have, so why should it matter what they tell their kids?
Some will bring them up thinking God is real, others wont, you got a problem with either of these?
It doesn't matter what they tell THEIR kids, but if THEIR kids then go and ruin it for others, it is a problem.
I don't believe in God, but I wouldn't sit in church and say "God isn't real" during a service 
It's all about respect, some parents clearly have none for other people's kids, or they'd suggest that their kid didn't blurt stuff out all over the place.
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strick206
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Originally posted by Cosmo
Robin, that is all in your opinion. Others dont see it that way, for whatever reason they have, so why should it matter what they tell their kids?
Some will bring them up thinking God is real, others wont, you got a problem with either of these?
no cosmo, it is just that the dad had a plain ignorance towards everyone else when he could have realised that not only his kid exists and people have different beliefs
yes i agree, parents can bring kids up however they want but they need to have a consideration for others
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John
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It wasn't wrong to tell the kid.
If he was a better parent he should have maybe explained to the kid that everybody else wouldn't share they beliefs.
If the kid wasn't old enough to handle the explanation maybe he should have just let him have a few more happy decembers 25ths, imo of course.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Cosmo
Robin, that is all in your opinion. Others dont see it that way, for whatever reason they have, so why should it matter what they tell their kids?
Some will bring them up thinking God is real, others wont, you got a problem with either of these?
It doesn't matter what they tell THEIR kids, but if THEIR kids then go and ruin it for others, it is a problem.
so a parent cant bring their kid up how they want if that opinion may upset others?
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John
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Not when the kids are 4 cosmo no.
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Robin
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I actually can't be arsed with this anymore, READ what I've said before, you'll have your answer.
Might help if you read the whole post, not just quote the first line, and all the posts before it in the thread, where I've said the same thing repeatedly.
[Edited on 05-12-2007 by Robin]
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maybe the dad was raped by a man in a santa suit?
also imo we should use the kids age to figure santa out as a guide on intelligence. if his dad hadnt tampered we could have one smart kid... thats my theory
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Colin
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Load of pish, I plan to tell my kids father xmas is a bluff as soon as the've mastered the alphabet!! Are you fuck getting a new bike for xmas!! hahahaha
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Originally posted by strick206
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Originally posted by Cosmo
Robin, that is all in your opinion. Others dont see it that way, for whatever reason they have, so why should it matter what they tell their kids?
Some will bring them up thinking God is real, others wont, you got a problem with either of these?
no cosmo, it is just that the dad had a plain ignorance towards everyone else when he could have realised that not only his kid exists and people have different beliefs
yes i agree, parents can bring kids up however they want but they need to have a consideration for others
As I just said to Robin above.
I agree he should respect others wishes (after all he may not want certain opinons pushed on his kid) but he shouldnt feel the need to not bring up his kid of he wants as those opinions upset a few others. He may well of said to the kid not to say anything, but at the end of the day he is 4, and they dont always do as they are told!
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I explained that at the school we respect all religions and understand the different beliefs that people may have, and regardless of the children's religions or beliefs, they all believe in Father Christmas.
Not all religions believe in christmas, santa included. You'd have been fucked if the dad said he was muslim or part of a scientology cult
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RS6
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this child doesnt even really celebrate his birthday. i feel sorry for him
nail on the head, now we can all get some sort of mental picture as to what kind of a parent this kid has 
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they dont all celebrate christmas. we have muslim kids in the school and they all celebrate their different festivals. What im saying is they all believe in father christmas whether theyre muslim, jewish etc.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Robin
I actually can't be arsed with this anymore, READ what I've said before, you'll have your answer.
Might help if you read the whole post, not just quote the first line, and all the posts before it in the thread, where I've said the same thing repeatedly.
I read the whole post, just didnt want to clog up the thread quoting parts of a post I wasnt replying to.
And to make you happy...
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It's all about respect, some parents clearly have none for other people's kids, or they'd suggest that their kid didn't blurt stuff out all over the place.
How about the respect to him as a parent. And his choice to not conform that Santa is real? Yes he needs to have respect for the other kids - and as pointed out before he may well of told him not to say anything - but at the same time the way he wants to bring HIS kid up deserves respect too.
And he wasnt in a Santa convention where he stood up and said he wasnt real. He was in a mixed school, with mixed beliefs, being taught a whole host of things - so not like he should conform to one idea.
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Cosmo
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this child doesnt even really celebrate his birthday. i feel sorry for him
nail on the head, now we can all get some sort of mental picture as to what kind of a parent this kid has
yeah but the whole point being made here isnt really about this one specific case anymore. Granted this guy sounds like he could be a bit of an arse, but their are millions upon millions of reasons for normal everyday people not to keep up the act that Santa is real to kids of all ages.
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Load of pish, I plan to tell my kids father xmas is a bluff as soon as the've mastered the alphabet!! Are you fuck getting a new bike for xmas!! hahahaha
 
[Edited on 05-12-2007 by JadeM]
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loubielou
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jade youll have to do it all secretly
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JadeM
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I'm not having any for him if he's going to be a spoil sport!!!
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think you did the right thing there lou 
Good thing to hear the dad co-operated as well
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you did the right thing, i think its reasonable if they dont believe in father christmas then he should stay home that morning and hopefully not ruining it for everyone.
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I'm not having any for him if he's going to be a spoil sport!!!
I'll get you a puppy instead, you can feed his head full on nonsense all you like
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You can't blame the father tbh. He has chose not to let his son believe in Santa for whatever reasons. You also can't blame the father for his son saying Santa isn't real in a class talking about xmas. At whatever age he did say to his son, he isn't real, he wouldn't have thought to tell his son not to say he isn't real to any other kids as I doubt as a parent you would give thought to other peoples kids and think about the repercussions that could arise.
Did you deal it in the right way? Im not too sure tbh. But then what other way could you of handled it?
Thing is now when you do talk about santa with the whole class, you can't send the boy out and with a 4 year old you don't know what they are going to react like and he may do exactly like he did yesterday and say santa's not real again..and then what are you going to do? .
As for the parent wanting to make a complaint, what really is the point? The damage is done now and making a complaint really isn't going to change anything and tbh she doesn't have a very good case to make a complaint.
Only thing you can hope happens from this is that the father tells his son not to say it again.
Do the kids in the after school bit now think santa is not real? If the kids start talking about santa again then one of them may say he's not real and then its a bigger problem.
Although i disagree with the father saying to his son santa isn't real. Its not exactly a nasty experience is it and i think all kids should grow up believing in him. My kids sure will grow up believing in him. Can't say I know of any parent telling there kids santa isn't real at such an early age. Usually kids find out for themselves a bit older than that.
[Edited on 05-12-2007 by corsa_tomtom]
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Cosmo
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you write too much.
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Tommy L
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you write too much.
love you
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Cosmo
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too much...once again.
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