jay kay
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look at the history people isreal didnt exist until after ww2 whereby it was created by the american govt. for the surviving jews. EVER SINCE there has been unrest in the middle east.
You talk about killing innocent people think back to the crusades when millions were butchered by christian soldiers as the stories say the blood was knee deep through the streets.
Personally i see flawed logic esp from people like topshop and bubblevaux.
Bomb the country for cheap oil and put a forsale sign there. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and people were talking about bombing you even though you have nothing to do with saddam and what he did and you have nothing to do with irans nuclear program ?
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by jay kay]
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abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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in the heat of moment  Now you look for some justification
My arguments are not idealistic...When did I say that if they didn't go to Iraq, there would have been World Peace? The Kurds were killed with weapons provided by the US themselves...
There would be no war between countries and no terrorists attacks...Civil war is a different issue. Instead of going to war, work on your own streets to stop crimes being comitted within your land instead of faking it that you are making peace in other countries.
And how much money is being wasted in a war for nothing?
As i have said above i am not guna waste my time arguing this with someone who has there own views and will not be swayed. there is no point.
But how can you believe there would be no wars between countries.
Look back through history, there will always be war, as soon as a reason disappears another arises. Individuals cause wars with there strong views and belief that their view is the only correct one.
at least there will be less....terrorists will not have a reason to commit their wrongful acts...I always thought prevention is better than cure....but not here with some of these views
going through history...who has started most wars?
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im guna go and have an argument about PS3 and Xbox360 instead in geek day
good luck with topshot there
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
topshot, your post has a lot of offence and hatred 
I'm offended by one of your posts
To the topic, the guy asking for the 'agressors' to be executed is mental
But what is the reaction of most of you in this post: BOMB them........so you think the same as this guy? Your thoughts are same? You would have asked for same if some other country's sailors were in the British waters.........
And in the middle east, the main cause of unrest is Israel. The world can see this except for some blind ones.
As jay kay stated, any country would have acted the same if they caught sailors in their waters and the conclusion would be spying.
That's the price you pay when you support America. Now even the UN won't give enough support to the UK. Hope the UK learns its lesson this time and stop supporting the US in their 'evil' actions (as Hammer stated). It's all down to the US, get out of countries not their own and there will be world peace.
All terror attacks have always had this as justification: 'we need to wage war on America'........... ALWAYS
Countries who support America will have the same fate.
BUT I do not agree with the hostage taking
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
maybe abdus you should re read what you are saying 
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hack3tt
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its ok im Xbox 360 so he is on my side!!
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
topshot, your post has a lot of offence and hatred
I'm offended by one of your posts
To the topic, the guy asking for the 'agressors' to be executed is mental
But what is the reaction of most of you in this post: BOMB them........so you think the same as this guy? Your thoughts are same? You would have asked for same if some other country's sailors were in the British waters.........
And in the middle east, the main cause of unrest is Israel. The world can see this except for some blind ones.
As jay kay stated, any country would have acted the same if they caught sailors in their waters and the conclusion would be spying.
That's the price you pay when you support America. Now even the UN won't give enough support to the UK. Hope the UK learns its lesson this time and stop supporting the US in their 'evil' actions (as Hammer stated). It's all down to the US, get out of countries not their own and there will be world peace.
All terror attacks have always had this as justification: 'we need to wage war on America'........... ALWAYS
Countries who support America will have the same fate.
BUT I do not agree with the hostage taking
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
maybe abdus you should re read what you are saying
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by C0rsa]
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by jay kay
look at the history people isreal didnt exist until after ww2 whereby it was created by the american govt. for the surviving jews. EVER SINCE there has been unrest in the middle east.
You talk about killing innocent people think back to the crusades when millions were butchered by christian soldiers as the stories say the blood was knee deep through the streets.
Personally i see flawed logic esp from people like topshop and bubblevaux.
Bomb the country for cheap oil and put a forsale sign there. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and people were talking about bombing you even though you have nothing to do with saddam and what he did and you have nothing to do with irans nuclear program ?
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by jay kay]
you base your argument on medieval conquests
look who is KILLING innocent people today, 9/11, 7/7
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abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
topshot, your post has a lot of offence and hatred
I'm offended by one of your posts
To the topic, the guy asking for the 'agressors' to be executed is mental
But what is the reaction of most of you in this post: BOMB them........so you think the same as this guy? Your thoughts are same? You would have asked for same if some other country's sailors were in the British waters.........
And in the middle east, the main cause of unrest is Israel. The world can see this except for some blind ones.
As jay kay stated, any country would have acted the same if they caught sailors in their waters and the conclusion would be spying.
That's the price you pay when you support America. Now even the UN won't give enough support to the UK. Hope the UK learns its lesson this time and stop supporting the US in their 'evil' actions (as Hammer stated). It's all down to the US, get out of countries not their own and there will be world peace.
All terror attacks have always had this as justification: 'we need to wage war on America'........... ALWAYS
Countries who support America will have the same fate.
BUT I do not agree with the hostage taking
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
maybe abdus you should re read what you are saying
bandwagon time
maybe it was overstated and some can't see the point made in the statement.
But FFS, is he blind...did I say don't go to Iraq and there would be world peace?
I said the US shoud GTF out of land not their own and stop creating unrest everywhere they go...
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jay kay
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Personally i see flawed logic esp from people like topshop and bubblevaux.
Bomb the country for cheap oil and put a forsale sign there. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and people were talking about bombing you even though you have nothing to do with saddam and what he did and you have nothing to do with irans nuclear program ?
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by jay kay]
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topshot_2k
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yes you also said if the us were to pull out of OCCUPIED LAND E.G. Iraq/Afghanistan etc there would world peace.
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quote:
Originally posted by jay kay
Personally i see flawed logic esp from people like topshop and bubblevaux.
Bomb the country for cheap oil and put a forsale sign there. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot and people were talking about bombing you even though you have nothing to do with saddam and what he did and you have nothing to do with irans nuclear program ?
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by jay kay]
i wouldnt be fighting over a religion FFS.
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hack3tt
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You said if The US got out of countries not there own (pretty much Iraq & Afgan) then there would be world peace that was what i was refering too.
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quote:
Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
topshot, your post has a lot of offence and hatred
I'm offended by one of your posts
To the topic, the guy asking for the 'agressors' to be executed is mental
But what is the reaction of most of you in this post: BOMB them........so you think the same as this guy? Your thoughts are same? You would have asked for same if some other country's sailors were in the British waters.........
And in the middle east, the main cause of unrest is Israel. The world can see this except for some blind ones.
As jay kay stated, any country would have acted the same if they caught sailors in their waters and the conclusion would be spying.
That's the price you pay when you support America. Now even the UN won't give enough support to the UK. Hope the UK learns its lesson this time and stop supporting the US in their 'evil' actions (as Hammer stated). It's all down to the US, get out of countries not their own and there will be world peace.
All terror attacks have always had this as justification: 'we need to wage war on America'........... ALWAYS
Countries who support America will have the same fate.
BUT I do not agree with the hostage taking
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
maybe abdus you should re read what you are saying
bandwagon time
maybe it was overstated and some can't see the point made in the statement.
But FFS, is he blind...did I say don't go to Iraq and there would be world peace?
I said the US shoud GTF out of land not their own and stop creating unrest everywhere they go...
Yes because Mulsims marching through London (a majority christian country) saying death to christians etc and then blow up innocent people on trains FFS, just about shows how cowardly they are, and this does not cause unrest or hatred towards them from normal english people?
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by topshot_2k]
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Originally posted by C0rsa
You said if The US got out of countries not there own (pretty much Iraq & Afgan) then there would be world peace that was what i was refering too.
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abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
You said if The US got out of countries not there own (pretty much Iraq & Afgan) then there would be world peace that was what i was refering too.
Exactly...many attacks esp 7/7 and 21/7 Bali etc were 'justified' by the terrorists for being acts against the US and its allies becuase of their actions in Iraq and eslewhere.
Same for the vietnamese war...It's always been the US creating havoc everywhere while there own population is enjoying themselves.
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
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hack3tt
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
You said if The US got out of countries not there own (pretty much Iraq & Afgan) then there would be world peace that was what i was refering too.
Exactly...many attacks esp 7/7 and 21/7 Bali etc were 'justified' by the terrorists for being acts against the US and its allies becuase of their actions in Iraq and eslewhere.
Same for the vietnamese war...It's always been the US creating havoc everywhere while there own population is enjoying themselves.
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
i guarantee you that those caught in 9/11 or their families are NOT enjoying them selves!
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jay kay
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yes but we are talking about the US and the UK going to war with iran over 15 people. Isreal went to war with lebanon over 1 and they had their ass handed to them on a plate.
5 years of us and uk troops in iraq and thehy still dont control the whole contry
do you really think that they can take iran a country 4 times the size where every male old enough to fight in the army has been trained. Thats a whole country that can be mobilized at ANY time.
WHY do you think the UK and US havent done anything yet. The situation would be WORSE than iraq.
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WTF???? Killing INNOCENT people because of a military campaing is ok?
Why not fight the military or aim attacks at Governments not workers in packed fucking tower block or train.
And they wonder why all other religions Hate muslims
They cant even get on with each other FFS
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abdus
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I always said and will always condemn any act of terrorism for whichever cause.
That's why generalising some minority views for ISlam is disgusting. The majority of Muslims in the world are not of the same thought of these ignorant people who use religion to hide behind.
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by jay kay
yes but we are talking about the US and the UK going to war with iran over 15 people. Isreal went to war with lebanon over 1 and they had their ass handed to them on a plate.
5 years of us and uk troops in iraq and thehy still dont control the whole contry
do you really think that they can take iran a country 4 times the size where every male old enough to fight in the army has been trained. Thats a whole country that can be mobilized at ANY time.
WHY do you think the UK and US havent done anything yet. The situation would be WORSE than iraq.
Could be solved easily, colateral damage would be massive though 
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abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
You said if The US got out of countries not there own (pretty much Iraq & Afgan) then there would be world peace that was what i was refering too.
Exactly...many attacks esp 7/7 and 21/7 Bali etc were 'justified' by the terrorists for being acts against the US and its allies becuase of their actions in Iraq and eslewhere.
Same for the vietnamese war...It's always been the US creating havoc everywhere while there own population is enjoying themselves.
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
i guarantee you that those caught in 9/11 or their families are NOT enjoying them selves!
they should ask Bush about that and the inexsistant plane that hit the pentagon
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jay kay
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bombing isnt the solution to anything as ive said before. Just gives the fanatics more ammo to charge up impressionable young muslims and send them to kill innocent people and tbh thats not what i want as an aftermathl.
YES im muslim and im proud of it but the middle east doesnt represent our whole religion. fanatical motherfuckers are present in every religion and cast a shadow over them.
If i can look at this situation objectively in a civilised manor then so should you. If i recall Dropping a bomb never made anything better ......
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Originally posted by abdus
I always said and will always condemn any act of terrorism for whichever cause.
That's why generalising some minority views for ISlam is disgusting. The majority of Muslims in the world are not of the same thought of these ignorant people who use religion to hide behind.
near enough the whole country cheered as the towers collapsed, it was all over TV stations, please dont tell me this was a 'minority'
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hack3tt
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oh FFS
Conspiracy sh1t.
I cant be @rsed with this anymore. The plane that hit the twin towers was VERY real ask the people who lost family there.
Thats the point not anything to do with Bush.
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by jay kay
bombing isnt the solution to anything as ive said before. Just gives the fanatics more ammo to charge up impressionable young muslims and send them to kill innocent people and tbh thats not what i want as an aftermathl.
YES im muslim and im proud of it but the middle east doesnt represent our whole religion. fanatical motherfuckers are present in every religion and cast a shadow over them.
If i can look at this situation objectively in a civilised manor then so should you. If i recall Dropping a bomb never made anything better ......
it has ended wars before
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over 100,000 civilian Iraqis have died since the start of the conflict, 2,976 died in 9/11.
to argue who is killing innocents is flawed.
the terrorists always depend on who's side you are on.
if our country was invaded by occupying Muslims (doubt this would ever happen, but you'll get my point) would the uk people sit in our house and take it? or would we fight back?
i supported the original war on removing sadam from power btw.
also there are fanatical christians as well as muslims
as a outsider to cs threads like this look very bad from the outside. this isn't a debate.
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