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Originally posted by 150£corsa
well if u dont steal music more fool you.. who the feck pays a tenenr for an album when u can have it for 3 ?
Who the feck pays for petrol when you can get it for free? There's a risk of getting caught in both situations.
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150£corsa
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IMO, theres a difference 
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Originally posted by willay
Yes at the end of the day its both stealing but society treat each crime VERY VERY differently. Thats the difference.
thank you will
I agree, but you must be able to see that stealing is stealing... The movie and music industry are loosing millions due to rips and that... A hell of a lot more than petrol being stolen. Why is everyone flaming the idea of stealing petrol when they're stealing something else? A little hypocritical tbh...
[Edited on 21-07-2008 by xa0s]
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Charlotte
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IMO i couldnt care less anymore lol
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cunningham
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there is no diffrence music theft and petrol theft is the SAME thing its still theft the only thing thats diffrent is there is more chence getting caught froma the police or someone that works in the petrol station than getting caught downloading illegal copys of music or film
get over your self theft is theft weather it be a 10p packet of crisps or a car its still stealing no matter what and is against the law
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Ant
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the difference is theft of petrol actually is removal of physical property which has been manufactured, transported, and TAX paid on it at a huge cost. Theft of music through download is only theft of potential profit.
And whoever said petrol stations dont care is talking shit i have worked for 3 different retailers 2 of which have been supermarkets and have made statements which have led to prosecution at all.
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Originally posted by cunningham
there is no diffrence music theft and petrol theft is the SAME thing its still theft the only thing thats diffrent is there is more chence getting caught froma the police or someone that works in the petrol station than getting caught downloading illegal copys of music or film
wrong
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cunningham
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Originally posted by Ant
the difference is theft of petrol actually is removal of physical property which has been manufactured, transported, and TAX paid on it at a huge cost. Theft of music through download is only theft of potential profit.
And whoever said petrol stations dont care is talking shit i have worked for 3 different retailers 2 of which have been supermarkets and have made statements which have led to prosecution at all.
its still theft though no matter what way you look at it 
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Originally posted by Ant
the difference is theft of petrol actually is removal of physical property which has been manufactured, transported, and TAX paid on it at a huge cost. Theft of music through download is only theft of potential profit.
And whoever said petrol stations dont care is talking shit i have worked for 3 different retailers 2 of which have been supermarkets and have made statements which have led to prosecution at all.
So albums/movies arent manafactured transported and vat added to them ?
Theft of music is into the billions every year.
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ed
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What a supprise. nova_gteuk in some stupid pointless argument. Again.
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Tommy L
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No one is saying its not theft though  (music that is)
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John
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Doing 31 in a 30 is breaking the law, so is raping and killing a 3 year old.
Different ways of breaking the law do come with different punishments and are treated differently by society, that's the way it is.
Stealing petrol and downloading music, although both illegal are totally different.
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Originally posted by ed
What a supprise. nova_gteuk in some stupid pointless argument. Again.
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quote:
Originally posted by xa0s
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Originally posted by corsa_tomtom
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Originally posted by willay
Yes at the end of the day its both stealing but society treat each crime VERY VERY differently. Thats the difference.
thank you will
I agree, but you must be able to see that stealing is stealing... The movie and music industry are loosing millions due to rips and that... A hell of a lot more than petrol being stolen. Why is everyone flaming the idea of stealing petrol when they're stealing something else? A little hypocritical tbh...
Yes it is as is many things that happen in our day to day life, but most of us accept it as the way and carry on with our lives instead of trying to make a point on a car forum.
So yes they are both stealing, but if you steal £10 of petrol you will be reported and have the local filth on your case within minutes, if you steal/download a £10 DVD the likelyhood of you getting a knock on your door from the police is low.
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cunningham
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how you can justifty one type of theft but not another is beyond me
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Originally posted by cunningham
how you can justifty one type of theft but not another is beyond me
Thats the funniest thing about this conversation tbh.
oh and ed, my work is so boring this is the only thing that entertains me for 8 hours a day
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everything in life has a measured risk, if that risk is low you are more then likely going to take it/do it.
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Ant
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Ant
the difference is theft of petrol actually is removal of physical property which has been manufactured, transported, and TAX paid on it at a huge cost. Theft of music through download is only theft of potential profit.
And whoever said petrol stations dont care is talking shit i have worked for 3 different retailers 2 of which have been supermarkets and have made statements which have led to prosecution at all.
So albums/movies arent manafactured transported and vat added to them ?
Theft of music is into the billions every year.
so if i download a film how exactly is it going to cost HMV? a potential sale lost? yes so maybe £4 profit? If i were to walk in and take it off the shelf (which you are effectively doing with petrol) they would loose the £4 profit plus the full retail value the film.
chances are I wouldnt have bought that film anyway so they would never have made the £4 profit and are no worse off
for the record i dont own any ilegal music or dvd as i do stand on the moral high ground here, however i dont think it is comparable to theft of fuel
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Originally posted by willay
everything in life has a measured risk, if that risk is low you are more then likely going to take it/do it.
very true but you cant penalise people that steal no matter what it is if you steal yourself ie music downloads (most popular theft right now)
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Phi
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everyone needs to stop arguing, stop being horrible to each other and just answer the original question!
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It would cost the people who actually make the film.
It would cost the taxman in lost revunue (VAT)
It would cost the shop thats sells the dvd.
It would cost the people who deliver the item form manfacturer to store.
It would cost the people who make the actual dvd dics and case itself.
Its easy enough saying oh they only lost a few quid because me one person downloaded it,but imagine the billions of people who do it every day and how much they lose,
[Edited on 21-07-2008 by nova_gteuk]
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Well actually if you want to get technical then hmv are losing more than a profit as each store of company is told to make a certain amount each day. So when things are stolen then that amount is deducted from their amount and they are given a minus for their area. When so many low %'s are found in one area the store gets investigated and all managers are put on a trial to find out why so many things are getting stolen.
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
It would cost the people who actually make the film.
It would cost the taxman in lost revunue (VAT)
It would cost the shop thats sells the dvd.
It would cost the people who dliver the item form manfacturer to store.
It would cost the people who make the actucl dvd dics and case itself.
Its easy enough saying oh they only lost a few quid because me one person downloaded it,but imagine the billions of people who do it every day?
[Edited on 21-07-2008 by nova_gteuk]
how would it cost them? 
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Phi
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anyone else get McFlys album FREE yesterday
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nova_gteuk
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through the loss of a sale because you downloaded it for free?
How do you not understand that? 
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