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Baskey

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18th Mar 08 at 14:04

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
i like my Gti dont think id stand a chance agaist a type R tbh, mines standard with a decat i found out but i enjoy it i dont care for all the crap what beats what. just give it a rest

are you sure you own a gti with an attitude like that

Steve

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18th Mar 08 at 14:05

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
i like my Gti dont think id stand a chance agaist a type R tbh, mines standard with a decat i found out but i enjoy it i dont care for all the crap what beats what. just give it a rest

you should try it, ctr's aint all that fast as the hype, you;d keep up with it pretty well

chris_uk

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18th Mar 08 at 15:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-0YDBUZbg&feature=related

jams

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18th Mar 08 at 18:23

thing is you have a 106 gti

there a nippy been can they way feck all
and 130 bhp iirc

civic type r
well buit there quite heavy 2.0 tek with 200 bhp

the 106 goes well up to 100 witch is the civics down fall as the 6 speed box and the lack of torque

stock 106 to a stock ctr the ctr is miles quicker

B16a2vtiguy

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26th Mar 08 at 17:23

Pug 106 GTi specs

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=100738

CTR specs

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=91322

The 106 has 127.57 bhp/ton
The CTR has 155.12 bhp/ton
Thats a 27.55 bhp/ton differance

The CTR also weighs 1270 kg
The Pug 106 weighs 925 kg
Thats a weigh differance of 345 kg

However the CTR also makes 145 ft·lb
over the 106's 107 ft·lb
Thats a 38ft lb differance.

The 106 does
8.70 s (0-60mph) 127 mph (top speed)

The CTR does
6.70 s (0-60mph) 146 mph (top speed)

IMO there no competition,
106's are light nippy little cars and handle good small tight tracks/roads,
put a 106 against a CTR on higher speed tracks/roads and u'll see the differance
(obv this does depend on driver skills being similar)

B16a2vtiguy

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26th Mar 08 at 17:25

quote:
Originally posted by jams
thing is you have a 106 gti

there a nippy been can they way feck all
and 130 bhp iirc

civic type r
well buit there quite heavy 2.0 tek with 200 bhp

the 106 goes well up to 100 witch is the civics down fall as the 6 speed box and the lack of torque

stock 106 to a stock ctr the ctr is miles quicker

145ft lb is not a lack of torque

The 6speed box allows for shorter ratios, which if anything is a
benifit and allows for better accelaration

whitter45

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26th Mar 08 at 17:29

quote:
Originally posted by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Stu
A proper test of a cars performance is 0-100, what are the figures for them both?

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/ reckons:

106GTI - 23.81
Type R - 16.85

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by Stu]

yeah they also reckon my fabia does 0-100 in 30 seconds its because those times are based on there calculator and dont take things lik torque into account.

my fabia has the same 50-120 as a bmw 330

Steve your car probably does do 0-100 in 30 seconds though

whitter45

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26th Mar 08 at 17:34

quote:
Originally posted by B16a2vtiguy

quote:
Originally posted by jams
thing is you have a 106 gti

there a nippy been can they way feck all
and 130 bhp iirc

civic type r
well buit there quite heavy 2.0 tek with 200 bhp

the 106 goes well up to 100 witch is the civics down fall as the 6 speed box and the lack of torque

stock 106 to a stock ctr the ctr is miles quicker

145ft lb is not a lack of torque

The 6speed box allows for shorter ratios, which if anything is a
benifit and allows for better accelaration

agree the torque looks low to the relativel high output of BHP

The only down fall is peak torque is at 5800 so you need to be on the money all the time - caught in the wrong gear and you have had it

The torque arguement always puzzles me

for a 2.0 N/A 145 lbs/ft is average by no means bad - yes its high up the rev range but when you going for it thats were you want it

Its like the previous M3. 343 BHP but 262lbs/ft - thats a realistic figure for a 3.2 straight 6 but the power output makes you think its relatively low

Also torque is good for truning power alone but at higher speeds with drag its power you need

Hence why diesels feel faster than they are at low speeds

Paul_J

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26th Mar 08 at 18:01

quote:
Originally posted by B16a2vtiguy
Pug 106 GTi specs

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=100738

CTR specs

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=91322

The 106 has 127.57 bhp/ton
The CTR has 155.12 bhp/ton
Thats a 27.55 bhp/ton differance

The CTR also weighs 1270 kg
The Pug 106 weighs 925 kg
Thats a weigh differance of 345 kg

However the CTR also makes 145 ft·lb
over the 106's 107 ft·lb
Thats a 38ft lb differance.

The 106 does
8.70 s (0-60mph) 127 mph (top speed)

The CTR does
6.70 s (0-60mph) 146 mph (top speed)

IMO there no competition,
106's are light nippy little cars and handle good small tight tracks/roads,
put a 106 against a CTR on higher speed tracks/roads and u'll see the differance
(obv this does depend on driver skills being similar)

well done you can quote standard book figures - here's a medal ...

A lot of the people posting replies in this actually own the car's in question and have had real experiences of both.

Paul_J

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26th Mar 08 at 18:05

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

quote:
Originally posted by B16a2vtiguy
145ft lb is not a lack of torque

The 6speed box allows for shorter ratios, which if anything is a
benifit and allows for better accelaration

agree the torque looks low to the relativel high output of BHP

The only down fall is peak torque is at 5800 so you need to be on the money all the time - caught in the wrong gear and you have had it

The torque arguement always puzzles me

for a 2.0 N/A 145 lbs/ft is average by no means bad - yes its high up the rev range but when you going for it thats were you want it

Its like the previous M3. 343 BHP but 262lbs/ft - thats a realistic figure for a 3.2 straight 6 but the power output makes you think its relatively low

Also torque is good for truning power alone but at higher speeds with drag its power you need

Hence why diesels feel faster than they are at low speeds

power is completely relevant to torque and visa versa...

power = ((torque * rpm) / 5252)

the whole reason the high bhp power and much less torque, is because the torque is continued right up the rev range... resulting in high peak power at high rpm ... - same torque value at low rpm and high rpm = different power figure.

Generallly sometimes to produce more torque higher up (and thus more peak power) - it loses torque lower down or the peak torque figure is not as high.

This is why the civic 2.0 is 145 lb ft of torque and 200 bhp.

[Edited on 26-03-2008 by Paul_J]

JM_16v

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26th Mar 08 at 18:13

GTis are 120bhp aswell there not 130bhp

Paul_J

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26th Mar 08 at 18:14

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
GTis are 120bhp aswell there not 130bhp

you had yours on the Rolling road?

Scotty C

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26th Mar 08 at 18:16

But most of them make 130bhp...

Pete_vxl

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26th Mar 08 at 18:16

there should be a 106 gti folder on this site so everyone can save all there shit claims and storys for the one thread

Paul_J

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26th Mar 08 at 18:18

I agree and i think it should be called 'Trash can'

Imo if you want to talk about 106 gti's you should find 106owners on google.com

JM_16v

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26th Mar 08 at 18:20

quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
GTis are 120bhp aswell there not 130bhp

you had yours on the Rolling road?

no and i do go on 106owners.co.uk i was told all the talk of 130bhp was bollox and there all 120bhp. wouldnt mind putting it on the rollers

Paul_J

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26th Mar 08 at 18:22

some make 120, some make 130 ish...

106owners - i wouldn't believe a thing they said.

106owners is like saxperience for saxo's ... all about bling bling.

Saxosportsclub / Rallye Register if you want anything factual.

JM_16v

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26th Mar 08 at 18:26

well i u2u you and some people but noone reccomended any sites to look on tbh

richc

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26th Mar 08 at 18:56

quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
GTis are 120bhp aswell there not 130bhp

you had yours on the Rolling road?

I asked the owner of spooks in leicster at christmas about this. Were talking about 106 gtis (as the company is pure pug) andi said arnt they 130 bhp...and straight away he said you read that on a forum??

....yes i reply and he said, and i quote, 'ner dont believe the hpye, people big them up on the net, when we get them on the rollers they are 120bhp

Not big up on 106's so bit blank when folk as me about them (well i suppose i am now due to being on a corsa site

) but this is what he told me!

B16a2vtiguy

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27th Mar 08 at 13:34

Thanks for my medal!

COUGH gimp

Book figures are the most realistic way of getting a good average power of car....
without the 'gti boys' bigging them up and believing unrealistic dyno results.

I have seen stock CTR's on the Dyno making 220bhp, in that case it must be that CTR's are 220bhp ?

Simple answer...NO they dont.

I dont have either cars, so i am neutral in this discussion...and dont need to 'big' either car up.

Dione J

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27th Mar 08 at 13:40

Rob B

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27th Mar 08 at 13:42

But your clearly bigging a civic up, as your a honda guy are you not ?

My mate owned a CTR for 2 years, a year of that i had my VTS we had countless race's as you do and everytime it would be very close to 90 and then the civic would start to pull away very slightly..

Look at 1/4 mile times, vts/gti's standard can do it in 15.0 - 15.2

A standard CTR does it in 14.9 - 15.2

.1 of a second is hardly anything

and those figures LOL 8.7 0 - 60 for a gti ? at FCS i recorded a 7.1 on a vts with an exhaust, on official timing gear, and some got better than me...

Rob B

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27th Mar 08 at 13:45

quote:
Originally posted by richc

quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J

quote:
Originally posted by JM_16v
GTis are 120bhp aswell there not 130bhp

you had yours on the Rolling road?

I asked the owner of spooks in leicster at christmas about this. Were talking about 106 gtis (as the company is pure pug) andi said arnt they 130 bhp...and straight away he said you read that on a forum??....yes i reply and he said, and i quote, 'ner dont believe the hpye, people big them up on the net, when we get them on the rollers they are 120bhp

Not big up on 106's so bit blank when folk as me about them (well i suppose i am now due to being on a corsa site ) but this is what he told me!

SPOOX

i wouldnt trust them for nothing my mate spent over 3k there on his 106 gti and they still fuked it up time and time again, cowboy outfit IMO.

Steve

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27th Mar 08 at 13:51

some make 120 others nearer 130

whitter45

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27th Mar 08 at 14:08

TBH yes the GTI is nippy but as a package it does not come close to the civic

Basically they are in different classes for a starta s the 106 GTI is so much smaller

The civic is better made, more reliable, nicer to drive so even iof the GTI is as close as some people make out it comes at a cost of quality, space, reliability etc

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