Steve
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so i go into a club full of smoke, what am i meant to do? not breath?
You could go to a non-smoking club.
Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the ban, I just think it should be down to the landlord really.
You'd know which pubs were smoking and which weren't, much like you do with other types of bar, and you don't go in them (or maybe you do?  )
I think it's a fantastic idea in restaurants, I totally agree with it there, but in a quiet village pub, if everyone knows it's a smoking pub, I can't see how that's a problem.
I don't even smoke BTW.
so i couldnt go somewhere i might want to go because of other peoples dirty habits? you think thats right?
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Jambo
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Steve, if you ever contracted so much as a cough from passive smoking i would personally give you £100
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nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Steve
so i go into a club full of smoke, what am i meant to do? not breath?
You could go to a non-smoking club.
Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the ban, I just think it should be down to the landlord really.
You'd know which pubs were smoking and which weren't, much like you do with other types of bar, and you don't go in them (or maybe you do? )
I think it's a fantastic idea in restaurants, I totally agree with it there, but in a quiet village pub, if everyone knows it's a smoking pub, I can't see how that's a problem.
I don't even smoke BTW.
so i couldnt go somewhere i might want to go because of other peoples dirty habits? you think thats right?
So i cant step out of my front door due the nasty exhaust gasses and fear of being run over? is that right 
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Steve
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Steve, if you ever contracted so much as a cough from passive smoking i would personally give you £100
passive smoking doesnt give you a cough jambo, the fumes in passive smoking are actually worse than what the smoker is breathing in himself.
if your in a smokey environment you stand a high risk of developing a disease in some form or other from the smoke
that doesnt necessarily mean you get a cough  part of your lungs can be killed without you even knowing
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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Steve
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Steve
so i go into a club full of smoke, what am i meant to do? not breath?
You could go to a non-smoking club.
Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the ban, I just think it should be down to the landlord really.
You'd know which pubs were smoking and which weren't, much like you do with other types of bar, and you don't go in them (or maybe you do? )
I think it's a fantastic idea in restaurants, I totally agree with it there, but in a quiet village pub, if everyone knows it's a smoking pub, I can't see how that's a problem.
I don't even smoke BTW.
so i couldnt go somewhere i might want to go because of other peoples dirty habits? you think thats right?
So i cant step out of my front door due the nasty exhaust gasses and fear of being run over? is that right
your still missing the point. Robin said i should go somewhere else that is non smoking, the problem here is the smokers, they are the one with the problem not the non smokers, your also missing the point that cars are a problem but are also a necessity which would be extremely difficult to find an answer to solve the problem, there is an easy answer to solve the smoking problem
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nova_gteuk
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yes and the goverment are making plans to tax people of the road and yet you and millions complain and protest against it so its ok for smokers to have rule mplemented on them but when you get your car a "luxury" taken away you dont like it kind of contradicting dont you think?
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The emissions from car exhausts are responsible for more deaths than road accidents, according to World Health Organisation (WHO) research.
A study looking at France, Austria and Switzerland found that the number of people dying from respiratory or cardiovascular problems which could be attributed to car fumes far outweighed the death toll from crashes.
The WHO will now ask 70 environment and health ministers gathering for a conference in London to adopt a new charter on transport policies to reduce the effects of pollution.
Dr Carlos Dora from the WHO European Centre for Environment and Health said: "The growing evidence that air pollution is causing a major health burden adds to effects of road traffic through noise, accidents and barriers to cycling and walking.
"We are paying a huge price for this excessive road transport with our money and our health."
The research found that one third of all harmful particulate air pollution was caused by road transport, and that long term exposure to pollution caused an estimated 21,000 premature deaths a year across the three countries.
This is far higher than the 9,947 who died that year as a result of road accidents.
Bill runs into billions
In addition, the researchers calculated that the car fumes caused 300,000 extra cases of bronchitis in children, and 15,000 extra hospital admissions for heart disease made worse by the pollution.
They calculated that the cost of dealing with all this was £27 billion Euros per year - about £16bn.
But a British GP, a former chairman of the GPs in Asthma group, said that while car pollution worsened existing asthma, there was little evidence that it actually caused the condition.
Dr Dermot Ryan, a Loughborough GP, said that the focus should fall instead on cigarette smoking as the primary villain.
"I'm not too sure car pollution is the number one enemy. 400 people a day are dying in this country due to cigarette smoking," he said.
He recalled a recent study that compared the incidence of asthma between Munich, a fairly non-polluted city, and Leipzig, a city with a large degree of particulate-producing heavy industry.
Asthma was found more widespread in Munich, he said.
"It's difficult to prove this cause and effect, whereas we can prove passive smoking is very, very damaging to children, and actually causes asthma."
Pets, cookers and carpets to blame
Studies have linked a number of other factors with childhood asthma, among them not breastfeeding, smoking while pregnant, carpets, gas cookers, and pets.
Roger Higman, of Friends of the Earth, said that it was clear to his organisation that fumes were at least as big a killer as road traffic accidents.
He said: "What this research shows is that air pollution is a serious problem - and should be treated as such.
"A lot of money goes into making cars more safe, but not as much is spent tackling air pollution."
He called for more investment in public transport.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/369169.stm
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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Steve
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what part did you not understand where i said my car was a necessity?
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il say it again, my car is a necessity, i use it for work, i live in the country therefore i have to use my car, meaning extra tax's are unfair.
smoking is a luxury, a habit and a dirty one at that, therefore it is perfectly reasonable to ask people not to smoke
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Steve you missed the point. BIG time.
As with all facts about smoking the media and paranoid twits turn it into a big evil to which must be stopped as with all the tyranny it causes. Doesnt it?
Well no. Passive smoking is "less healthy" than breathing normal air, of course it is you dont have to be a genuis to figure that out. My point was, they make it out to be this big killer, when even on the page stopsmoking.com it merely mentions it hightens risks for things like lung cancer, altho if asked many people would assume it "gives" you lung cancer.
I grew up in a smokers house, i dont have astma i dont have bronchitus and i certianly have no respritory problems nor do i have non-smoker paranoya.
You should be allowed the choice to inhale secondary smoke, i for one when i used to smoke would ever want to do that to anyone. But banning it? Thats great one more step towards the nanny state we live in where its inhabitants have forgotten what its like to be human.
So now you will be safer (if you can really call it that) but for your own sake dont act like your breathing in zyklon B FFS.
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Steve
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no i said passive smoking is less healthy than normal smoking
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I grew up in a smokers house, i dont have astma i dont have bronchitus and i certianly have no respritory problems
yet...
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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nova_gteuk
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what part did you not understand where i said my car was a necessity?
your cars a neccesity, so you dont have legs own a pushbiike,have a bus stop near you have a train station near you? or you could use a scooter which produces much less nasty gases as a car? yes im sure with all them options your cars a real "necesity"
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Ben G
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good luck to the cunts standing around in bus shelters huddling together to keep warm whilst smoking on a long hard object
all that whilst i'm in a nice warm pub, downing a pint of the finest beer, watching the football and not smelling like shit
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i dont have a bus stop that can get me to work the nearest train station is about 15 miles away, i work about 25 miles away so biking is not an option as is walking.
i cant use a scooter because my job involves me driving to clients around the county using my own car and sometimes carryin equipment, which also voids the other points you make
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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Jambo
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Originally posted by Steve
no i said passive smoking is less healthy than normal smoking
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I grew up in a smokers house, i dont have astma i dont have bronchitus and i certianly have no respritory problems
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[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
OMG IM GOING TO DIE!!!
Oh shit, thats right i allready knew that, Steve its out to get you, i think someone in the next street lit up a cigerette hold your breath quick before you catch lung cancer
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Steve
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jambo id also love to see you develop lung cancer
cunt
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
i dont have a bus stop that can get me to work the nearest train station is about 15 miles away, i work about 25 miles away so biking is not an option as is walking.
i cant use a scooter because my job involves me driving to clients around the county using my own car and sometimes carryin equipment, which also voids the other points you make
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
any other bright ideas?
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Jambo
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Originally posted by Ben G
good luck to the cunts standing around in bus shelters huddling together to keep warm whilst smoking on a long hard object
all that whilst i'm in a nice warm pub, downing a pint of the finest beer, watching the football and not smelling like shit
Ill join you for the beer, but im sure they will soon make a case for this being illegal as it means you get liver disease, heart disease etc.
If that happens im moving to San Angelis and going to live with Lennina Huxley tbh
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Ben G
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cunt filter seems to have gone AWOL tbh
it's a fact that it's easier to breathe freely in fresh air than air filled with smoke. my girlfriend smokes, i dont let her smoke it my house, she has to stand outside in the rain, it's her own fault for starting the habit.
no one forced her to
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Steve
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yes jambo drinking beer really affects others health in the vacinity doesnt
my main gripe with smoking isnt that people want to do it, thats up to them, its the way its imposed on others and CAN affect there health
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Originally posted by Jambo
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Originally posted by Ben G
good luck to the cunts standing around in bus shelters huddling together to keep warm whilst smoking on a long hard object
all that whilst i'm in a nice warm pub, downing a pint of the finest beer, watching the football and not smelling like shit
Ill join you for the beer, but im sure they will soon make a case for this being illegal as it means you get liver disease, heart disease etc.
If that happens im moving to San Angelis and going to live with Lennina Huxley tbh
you wont get liver disease by drinking 1-2 beers a week though
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Originally posted by Steve
i dont have a bus stop that can get me to work the nearest train station is about 15 miles away, i work about 25 miles away so biking is not an option as is walking.
i cant use a scooter because my job involves me driving to clients around the county using my own car and sometimes carryin equipment, which also voids the other points you make
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
Well would it not be easier to move closer to your job,or change job as the nasty gases your car makes is making me ill and ruining the planet i pay quite enough to live in as it is,why should i have to breath in your exhaust gases? dont i have the right to live in clean air with no harmfull gases?
where have you heard that argument before
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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Jambo
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jambo id also love to see you develop lung cancer
cunt
Lovely chap you are Steve, if only you were half intelligent as you were a rude, arogant grossly ill informed little twirp 
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Steve
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ok so i move closer to work, i move next door, i still have to use my car to places around the county, as well as carrying equipment
next idea to get round that...
[Edited on 01-07-2007 by Steve]
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Jambo
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Originally posted by Ben G
you wont get liver disease by drinking 1-2 beers a week though
And you wont definately get lung cancer if you smoke, whats your point?
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I cant believe some of the attitudes of smokers in here... scum is the only way to describe people like yourselves, your maybe very nice people but with that sort of attitude I hope you learn the hard way..
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