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this thread is indeed showing some true colours 
Just so you know my pic is only a sarcastic giggle at the team America film and how they depict WMD's  As far as the discussion is concerned, i'm fed up of hearing about conspiracy theories. For everything one person says, there's always a 'what about Bush' etc. comment. I'd much rather turn the news off and live a peaceful ignorant life When you're on holiday how do you feel.... Relaxed... why because you don't have to hear about shootings, problems in the middle East etc. It's the news' fault, it's a conspiracy i tell ya
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Originally posted by abdus
this thread is indeed showing some true colours
Just so you know my pic is only a sarcastic giggle at the team America film and how they depict WMD's
was never directed at you 
and whoever thinks he/she is doing it will take it for him/her 
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
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why is it ignorance to have a differnet opinion to you??
You feel strongly about your argument as do the topshot and the others!!
i think its ignorance to think you are 100% correct and those that differ from this have a lack of education??
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this thread is indeed showing some true colours
If true colours is the new hip word for lack of education then yes there have been a lot of true colours being shown.
United Colors of Benetton
lack of education and add ignorance with it
why because people dont agree with you
The majority of wars currently happening are due to Islam, The cowardly bombings of civilians is down to Islam.
I didnt see many iraqis complain when they tore down the statue of S.Hussein did you
They are using it as an excuse for terrorism, not to mention they are fighting each other FFS because of their religion
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I used to read a lot into this kind of stuff in the media etc. But i realised at the end of the day just how wound up and angry it can make you. At the end of the day i choose to follow only skysports news instead The media is a very powerful tool indeed, every piece of media we receive is mediated somewhat, so we never get the true picture of any situation, only what the media want us to see. I tend to read not too much into it now because you'll only be given a biased view. 
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why is it ignorance to have a differnet opinion to you??
You feel strongly about your argument as do the topshot and the others!!
i think its ignorance to think you are 100% correct and those that differ from this have a lack of education??
no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
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Originally posted by Mark1984_SRI
I used to read a lot into this kind of stuff in the media etc. But i realised at the end of the day just how wound up and angry it can make you. At the end of the day i choose to follow only skysports news instead The media is a very powerful tool indeed, every piece of media we receive is mediated somewhat, so we never get the true picture of any situation, only what the media want us to see. I tend to read not too much into it now because you'll only be given a biased view.
True.
The thing with something like this everyone feels so strongly about their side of the argument that they only read and believe the bits of news they want to.
They cant be swayed becasue it is too strong of divide.
Those who are against iraq have theories fro everything against bush, he did this and that and america caused everything.
And those for can pick from a million stories and photos of people from the middle east with signs like the guy at the start if this post and things like 9/11.
This argument will never be settled.
Bit like Fifa or Pro evo
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no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
But its YOUR logic. the other side of the argument clearly believe you cant see their logic.
you cant call someone ignorant for that!!
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Originally posted by Mark1984_SRI
I used to read a lot into this kind of stuff in the media etc. But i realised at the end of the day just how wound up and angry it can make you. At the end of the day i choose to follow only skysports news instead The media is a very powerful tool indeed, every piece of media we receive is mediated somewhat, so we never get the true picture of any situation, only what the media want us to see. I tend to read not too much into it now because you'll only be given a biased view.
a very valid point regarding media filtering...Indeed many people just listen to what is said to them on the news and think this is the truth. Just like when teh PM showed a report about WMD in Westminster while it was actually a coursewrk of a university student..>Why he did that? to convince the MPS that UK had to go to war.
Same for the US who manipulated CIA reports in front of the UN to go to war. While the UN inspectors were categorical that there were NO WMD in Iraq...
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Originally posted by abdus
no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
But its YOUR logic. the other side of the argument clearly believe you cant see their logic.
you cant call someone ignorant for that!!
what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
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what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
Saying a comment like that is not right clearly but its becasue it is such a passionate subject for so many. People make such comments in the heat of the moment.
But thenmany would see your arguments as being idealistic and saying that if we didnt go into iraq the world would be a peacful one??
im sure the kurds would certainly disagree.
I dont want to argue with this as i have said i think it is something not worth trying to get involved in this as the views are too strong and easily debated.
Just disagree with calling people ignorant for their own personal views on points like this.
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However, is it acceptable to follow the opinion of the man in the photo? What have those sailors with friends and families done to be killed
He's as ignorant as some of the views on here tbh. I think the biggest gripe people have is why is it acceptable for one side to say death to the WEST, but not the other way around if you know what i mean (because i don't :lol
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by Mark1984_SRI]
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by abdus
no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
But its YOUR logic. the other side of the argument clearly believe you cant see their logic.
you cant call someone ignorant for that!!
what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
who said bomb all muslims?
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what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
Saying a comment like that is not right clearly but its becasue it is such a passionate subject for so many. People make such comments in the heat of the moment.
But thenmany would see your arguments as being idealistic and saying that if we didnt go into iraq the world would be a peacful one??
im sure the kurds would certainly disagree.
in the heat of moment Now you look for some justification
My arguments are not idealistic...When did I say that if they didn't go to Iraq, there would have been World Peace? The Kurds were killed with weapons provided by the US themselves...
There would be no war between countries and no terrorists attacks...Civil war is a different issue. Instead of going to war, work on your own streets to stop crimes being comitted within your land instead of faking it that you are making peace in other countries.
And how much money is being wasted in a war for nothing?
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by abdus
no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
But its YOUR logic. the other side of the argument clearly believe you cant see their logic.
you cant call someone ignorant for that!!
what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
who said bomb all muslims?
I might have mentioned blowing the hell out of Iran
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Originally posted by Jamie Walby
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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Originally posted by abdus
no ignorance is when you can't see the logic. And also ignorant when you just direct your attacks personally and not in the debate
But its YOUR logic. the other side of the argument clearly believe you cant see their logic.
you cant call someone ignorant for that!!
what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
who said bomb all muslims?
I might have mentioned blowing the hell out of Iran
to act funny?
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So because the US provided SOME of the weapons it makes it ok?
No terrorism if we had not have entered iraq you clearly are blind yourself
They would have seeked other sensitive areas such as Israel, turkey etc etc
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I dont want to argue with this as i have said i think it is something not worth trying to get involved in this as the views are too strong and easily debated.
Just disagree with calling people ignorant for their own personal views on points like this.
why not get involved in the debate? nothing wrong...
When people say to bomb, kill, ban etc...What are they then? logical? I never called specifically anybody ignorant. Whoever thinks he/she is takes it for him/her
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i said bomb the middle east. ALL of it. then the West can have cheap oil without a stupid unfair religion getting in the way
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by C0rsa
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what? when someone says to bomb ALL Muslims...this is logic? logic only for the ignorants
Saying a comment like that is not right clearly but its becasue it is such a passionate subject for so many. People make such comments in the heat of the moment.
But thenmany would see your arguments as being idealistic and saying that if we didnt go into iraq the world would be a peacful one??
im sure the kurds would certainly disagree.
in the heat of moment Now you look for some justification
My arguments are not idealistic...When did I say that if they didn't go to Iraq, there would have been World Peace?
F**K ...is he blind or what?
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But its ok to call the west/christians murderers etc and allow attacks on innocent people, protest in the streets about the UK except they claim health care, security, education from it 
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my own personal opinion-nuke the lot of em-then get reeds rains put a for sale sign up in the middle of it
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my own personal opinion-nuke the lot of em-then get reeds rains put a for sale sign up in the middle of it
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in the heat of moment Now you look for some justification
My arguments are not idealistic...When did I say that if they didn't go to Iraq, there would have been World Peace? The Kurds were killed with weapons provided by the US themselves...
There would be no war between countries and no terrorists attacks...Civil war is a different issue. Instead of going to war, work on your own streets to stop crimes being comitted within your land instead of faking it that you are making peace in other countries.
And how much money is being wasted in a war for nothing?
As i have said above i am not guna waste my time arguing this with someone who has there own views and will not be swayed. there is no point.
But how can you believe there would be no wars between countries.
Look back through history, there will always be war, as soon as a reason disappears another arises. Individuals cause wars with there strong views and belief that their view is the only correct one.
im guna go and have an argument about PS3 and Xbox360 instead in geek day
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topshot, your post has a lot of offence and hatred 
I'm offended by one of your posts
To the topic, the guy asking for the 'agressors' to be executed is mental
But what is the reaction of most of you in this post: BOMB them........so you think the same as this guy? Your thoughts are same? You would have asked for same if some other country's sailors were in the British waters.........
And in the middle east, the main cause of unrest is Israel. The world can see this except for some blind ones.
As jay kay stated, any country would have acted the same if they caught sailors in their waters and the conclusion would be spying.
That's the price you pay when you support America. Now even the UN won't give enough support to the UK. Hope the UK learns its lesson this time and stop supporting the US in their 'evil' actions (as Hammer stated). It's all down to the US, get out of countries not their own and there will be world peace.
All terror attacks have always had this as justification: 'we need to wage war on America'........... ALWAYS
Countries who support America will have the same fate.
BUT I do not agree with the hostage taking
[Edited on 30-03-2007 by abdus]
maybe abdus you should re read what you are saying
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