abdus
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
There are too many threads on this site whith the same old people being overtly rasist and violent inside-- see any thread on this site about immigrants for an example. The reason for this is because many people dont understand the reasons behind crime, or illegal immigration.
immigrants doesn't cover black or any other skin colour. There were ~400,000 Polish 'official' immigrants last year iirc, they are white and most of them and east europeans do a lot of violence too
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abdus
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Originally posted by ajscorsa
hope they rot in hell!!
do you believe in hell?
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JayT
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sick bastards!
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate
I refuse to read any of your posts solving the problem's of the world from here on in as i burst out laughing
Here's my solution better schooling and that will BREAD a better society 
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Hammer]
If all you have to critisize me with is my spelling then thats o.k by me.
"Better schooling"-- I agree with the idea strongly--- Lets hear your solution then-- my ideas are there to be shot at.
And please dont say "bring back the cane" or I will ask if I can have the death sectence given to me now.
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by abdus
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Originally posted by ajscorsa
hope they rot in hell!!
do you believe in hell?
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Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate
I refuse to read any of your posts solving the problem's of the world from here on in as i burst out laughing
Here's my solution better schooling and that will BREAD a better society
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Hammer]
If all you have to critisize me with is my spelling then thats o.k by me.
"Better schooling"-- I agree with the idea strongly--- Lets hear your solution then-- my ideas are there to be shot at.
And please dont say "bring back the cane" or I will ask if I can have the death sectence given to me now.
I'm not being funny but if they are handing out masters degree's with spelling like that then i'll take the death sentence myself.
If it's a debate you want on the 'kill the bastard's' etc etc then have that with the parents of the little boy who was stabbed 12 times and burnt alive.
All your education doesn't compensate for compassion, it's human nature to want the people who done it to suffer and suffer bad.
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Hammer
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate
I refuse to read any of your posts solving the problem's of the world from here on in as i burst out laughing
Here's my solution better schooling and that will BREAD a better society
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Hammer]
Your refusing to read my posts???? Seems a strange way to live your life. Do you really just ignore or avoid anything you might disagree with. I really hate to see this sort of attitude.
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate
I refuse to read any of your posts solving the problem's of the world from here on in as i burst out laughing
Here's my solution better schooling and that will BREAD a better society
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Hammer]
If all you have to critisize me with is my spelling then thats o.k by me.
"Better schooling"-- I agree with the idea strongly--- Lets hear your solution then-- my ideas are there to be shot at.
And please dont say "bring back the cane" or I will ask if I can have the death sectence given to me now.
I'm not being funny but if they are handing out masters degree's with spelling like that then i'll take the death sentence myself.
If it's a debate you want on the 'kill the bastard's' etc etc then have that with the parents of the little boy who was stabbed 12 times and burnt alive.
All your education doesn't compensate for compassion, it's human nature to want the people who done it to suffer and suffer bad.
Great spelling isnt really what their looking for in a masters(thank godness for spell check)
I find it strange that you talk about compassion and suffering in the same sentance.
You can quote any number of terrible crimes you want and it wont make me wrong about how to reduce crime.
I think you should at least read what I have said in this thread before you start arguing with me. I have read and understood your post but you dont seem willing to do that with mine.
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ClaireF
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fucking scum
yes it should be life for a life.
they are not even sorry for what they have done so should be shot
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by ClaireF]
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abdus
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Masters degree (unless English) doesn't need to have proper spelling
But proper knowledge 
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Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
Great spelling isnt really what their looking for in a masters(thank godness for spell check)
the irony astonishes me.
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abdus
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
Great spelling isnt really what their looking for in a masters(thank godness for spell check)
the irony astonishes me.
me too...
anyway, i think you got his point
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John
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I would have even less faith in the education system than i do atm if you can get a degree with attrocious spelling.
What is this masters in btw?
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abdus
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John, atrocious?
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John
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Maybe  ,
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gtitim
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i work in the prison service and deal with scum like this on a daily basis. those scumbags will currently be experiencing living hell in jail, nothing less than they deserve. 95% of other cons will be on their backs all the time. scottish prisons are alot harder than english, as well as the race crime aspect.
i dealt with a case like this a year ago when two asian lads killed a 17yr old white lad in an unprovoked attack. they both got life and ended up having to go to Parkhurst on the isle of white, as the bounty on their heads was so high. when i had one at our place he was in solitary the whole time, and was even battered in a visit by other cons because of what he did.
as for those who say rehabilitation is the answer; this will not happen. the prison system is too soft as it is, they come back for a break. the majority have had a bad upbringing, but that is not a justifiable excuse. they know what they are getting into, and keep doing it.
drugs is the biggest cause of crime in the uk, legalising them WILL NOT reduce crime, it will cause more addicts. cons come into jail rattling their tits off on heroin or methadone, go on a detox and end up clean, only to be back in a couple of weeks later, smacked up again. i see it so often that i can spot an addict a mile off, and know when i see a con which drugs he will be on, and more than likely what he did to end up inside.
sorry for the essay but some people are talking shite on a subject they know ( and never will) nothing about. 
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John
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Prisons will never work as long as you can go in there, get to see all your pals, play the playstation, watch sky, get 3 meals a day.
They should be put in cells that are never cleaned, get food once a day if they are lucky, get regular beating from both staff and other scum and come out never wanting to commit any crime ever again.
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abdus
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Originally posted by gtitim
sorry for the essay but some people are talking shite on a subject they know ( and never will) nothing about.
but most of you phrases contained 'will' which are just suggestions or just assumptions imo. How can you be sure (even from what you see everyday) that it won;t work out?
as it is, the situation is not good, so why not try new ways of doing it. If it doesn't work out, then you can say with assurance that it doesn't work. You need to try to be able to asssess
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Originally posted by gtitim
i work in the prison service and deal with scum like this on a daily basis. those scumbags will currently be experiencing living hell in jail, nothing less than they deserve. 95% of other cons will be on their backs all the time. scottish prisons are alot harder than english, as well as the race crime aspect.
I hope they systematically torture them daily 
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JadeM
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate, the death penalty has never before or never will prevent a crime like this. These people are not evil- they are severly mentally retarded. You can punish them all you like but the only focus should be on making sure this type of crime never happens again. One way to do that is to reduce the amount of racial tension in this country, and judging by the amount of blatent racists on this site at times we are a long way a way from doing that.
And as for people saying the sentences are too short, they have got "minimum" sentences. They will be assesed by professionals much better qualified than us to decide when they are fit for release. There is every chance they will never be released.
Ermmmm............ are you living on the moon They abducted Kriss because they had made up their minds to abduct the first WHITE guy they came across, and thats a fact!!! and your saying people are being stupid to say it was race related
I for one didn't say hang them, deport them blah blah blah, because thats the easy way out for them. Torture them day in day out for the rest of their lives........make it long and painful
[Edited on 10-11-2006 by JadeM]
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Jodi_the_g
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Poor people- It is obvious that poor people will commit more crimes than rich people. By shortening the gulf between rich and poor you will take away the need for many criminals to offend, and stop the destructive 'nothing to lose attitude many people in this country have. To do this tax needs to be increased massively on people who earn over 100k per year, second homes should be taxed to fuk, any car over 50k should be taxed to fuk and luxery products need to be taxed higher. This money should then be put back into the welfare system. I work 6 days a week and I would be perfectly willing to pay more tax knowing it will be going to the unemployed, one parent families, drug addicts - unless you take these people out of the poverty trap then society will never change.
It's logical and true poor people commit more crimes than rich people, but why tax the rich most of them have earned their money though hard work. Doing this will only lead to the super rich leaving the country and taking their skill and knowledge away.
As well as installing a belief in never mind if we work hard we get robbed by some modern day robin hood government.
They also most of the time employ others therefore they pay tax the company pays cooperation tax on top, then tax on profits etc. You work hard you get the rewards, car what ever.
The whole welfare state needs reforming unemployment should be more American like, you get benefits for several months you not got a job sod you nothing. Unless there is a reason such as health.
Minimum wage should be increased by at least £5. This should be on a sliding scale depending on how much profit the company involves makes. There is no reason for this not to happen apart from the greed of multi national companies in this country. Tesco makes over 100k profit from each of its employees--- they deserve to be paid more.
British industry and Manufacturing is already in massive decline so raising minimum wage will kill it off, call centers are being sent all over the world as our staff cost to much. Raising it to £10 or so an hour will ensure this country has no industry left and therefore increase unemployment, making more poor people.
Drugs-- all drugs need to be legalized. Take them out of the hands of dealers, tax them and put this money back into drug education and drug addict rehabilitation. most drugs are not dangerous if they are controlled and pure. Having to buy drugs from a dealer is many peoples first step into criminality and this has to be stopped.
Yes it will take the money out of the hands of the dealers, but a drug addict will still be there, people steal and fall into massive of other problems because of alcohol (how many homeless people have drink problems?) and that has always been legal. So Heroin and Cocaine will cause similar problems.
Leisure- Build more state funded leisure centers, youth centers, cinemas, sports fields. Give all these groups of kids hanging around the streets another option. Make all these centers none profit making state businesses so they are nice and cheap to use. My town has one leisure centre that you need to be earning over 25k to be able to join. This is wrong and helps to add to youth problems in the area.
One what will fund this, you already killed British industry and administration jobs, with earlier suggestions. People will always pay for elitism and therefore leisure centers that offer this or any other facility will be more in demand that other.
Prisons- Spend more money on rehabilitation within our jails- every prisoner should have 0ne to one therepy every day of there inceration. Let them talk face to face with the victims of there crime or there families so they can understand more the impact of there crimes- the reoffending rates of our prisons is a scandal and very little is being done about it. I also believe in care in the community as a way of reintegrating prisoners backninto society.
The only point I agree one hundred percent on you with, Prison should be about rehabilitation as much as punishment. Prisoners skills should be used to produce items to sell, similar to the sewing of mail bags, produce from the gardens etc sold to local people or even given away to the elderly in the local neighborhood.
Sexual crimes, child abuse ect-- The register of sex offenders needs to be made bigger, and every person on it needs closer suppervision. There should be secure mental health wings where we can attempt to cure some of these mental health conditions. Advances in science will help with this problem in the future.
The register should be made larger, better enforced, though I believe it is a crime that is not punished no where nearly as much as it should be. Cures are all well and good but chemical castration has been proved not to work. As the desire is still there just not the means.
Racial tension- Our government and the usa have alot to answer to for their part in any racial attack in this country. By creating a culture of fear where every one is told that anyone could be a terrorist you are asking for trouble. We dont have an immigrant problem in this country --- there are more english people living in spain than there are immigrantsliving in the united kingdom. The problem is that the worst jobs in this country are so badly paid that noone apart from desperate immigratns are prepaired to do them--- this means there is a labour gap which has to be filled by foreigners. Raising the minimum wage will help to solve this problem as it will actually make shite jobs worth doing.
I agree again there is major immigration problem in this country and most of the time they are used as scrap goats, like the Jews in late 1930’s Germany. Minimum wage raising by a huge amount is not really an economically viable option.
The Governments are partially to blame, though the buck stops with each and every one of us and especially religious and community leaders.
We have never integrated or been encouraged to, in primary school did children who where not Christian sit outside or away from the other children, Muslim groups tried to have a Muslims only day at Alton towers, should this of not been a faith day where people who believe in all different types of faith come together.
Media hype how many bombs when off since the 60’s by white catholic men but because they have sat down to talk its only Muslims who blow people up. The Mail and Sun are the worst for this and the education of their readers worsen the situation.
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John
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Was it that clown Dr pepper that said the stuff not in bold?
I know not all higher paid people work harder but I would associate higher pay with more skilled jobs.
Why should people be punished for being more skilled and earning more.
Thats whats wrong with this country in the 1st place.
Really really annoys me that the harder you work the more the government take off you.
Whereas these 'poor' people are quite happy living off that tax money.
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Jodi_the_g
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Yeah i just missed the quote tags
[Edited on 10-11-2006 by Jodi_the_g]
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John
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If minimum wage was increased there would be nobody wanting to become more skilled because they get paid plenty for doing unskilled jobs.
I should stop reading anything else this idiot has posted before I get more annoyed.
He must have a masters in talking absolute rubbish.
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