John
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I have recently stopped biting my nails.
Not the same you may say but it was extremly hard up till now.
I have wanted to stop for years but never did.
Couple of months ago I just decided I was stopping, that was it.
I still go to bite my nails regularly but i just don't.
[Edited on 07-11-2006 by John]
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C2RL R
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You have obviously never tried to give up something that you are addicted to.
That has never washed with me.
It is really really easy.
You just stop.
Dont care what washes with you - I'll stop when i want to or when i have to - I'm not just gonna stop coz a few people tell me I should.
I'm suprised actually that smoking is the only thing people are focusing on in this thread. What about drinking and drugs? At least when i smoke a cigarette I am not altering the state of my mind, my decision making abilities stay the same and it doesn't make me act out of charactor - these things can happen with alcohol and drugs.
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sukhwant
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yeah cant stop biting my nails, i sometimes stop for about a week then just start again
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John
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I added a bit on after you quoted me C2RL R.
If you don't want to stop that is your choice and a different matter.
Drinking (in moderation of course) won't directly kill you.
Smoking does, drugs are just as bad.
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Cosmo
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C2RL...Im not telling you to stop. I couldnt care less if you smoked or not TBH.
Im just trying to understand why you do actually smoke As you said you had tried to quit but decided you had no reason to (either wanted or health issues) so I was wondering what there is enjoyable about it to make you carry on, as I dont think the fact it is addicting can be the only reason.
And saying you have no health issues now to make you stop is the stupidest thing I have ever heard....so you'll carry on now as its not killing you but once you get lung cancer you'll stop.
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Jambo
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Where is your proof that Red Bull is harmful? Yes it has caffine in it (practically the same amount as a cup of coffee BTW) and is also full of sugar...but if it was so harmful I doubt you'd get Premiership footballers and top athletes all over the world drinking it. You dont see them having a quick smoke before they go out do you 
And dont believe they hype about how bad smoking is....now that is a typical (ex)smokers comment. Im not saying Red Bull is good for you, but im sorry it is nowhere near in the same league as how bad for you smoking is.
You are missing the point big time.
Red bull is bad for you, as is coffee diet coke, coca cola and all other things containing the drug caffine, it drastically increases your heart rate unaturally.
If your asking me fro proof for a drink so full of chemicals sugar and caffine and the contrevertial taurine (sweedish drinker dropped dead after a can of red bull apprnetly) then its like asking me for proof of eating a bar of lard a day is bad for you. Its commen sense. I never once said smoking wasnt bad for you, but you seem insistant to not relaise what smoking causes and the main disease associated is heart disease, the clog of fat in the arteries.
The same thing drinking red bull will do, as would eating alot of red meat, chocolate etc etc
As for the footballer comment allow me to inform you of 3 players:
Laurent Blanc
Marcell Desailly
Fabien Barthez
French world cup winners, all who smoke.
I am trying to put the point across that smoking is bad yes, its also an adults choice to smoke. Just as drinking red bull is, or eating alot of red meat etc etc etc.
You cant see the point in smoking,which IMO is a great position to be in means you dont smoke, and should never get the urge to.
I however enjoyed it, and if i hadnt decided to give up to make sure my lungs were healthy then i would still smoke, i enjoyed it immensely and is a very social hobby as rob says.
And as i mentioned before i am not having a punt at you which you seem to think i am, im merely pointing out that adults can make their own descisions and if you want to let your children grow up in a world where the government tells you what you CAN and CANT eat/smoke/drink/do then carry on the train of thought!
I however would like to remain free of opression.
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Robin
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I was wondering what there is enjoyable about it to make you carry on
Yes.
Like I said earlier, it's relaxing, like having a nice cold beer.
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Jules S
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I smoke In my own house.
I don't have yellow fingers, and I certainly don't smell.
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Cosmo
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fucking hell were bringing the freedom of choice into it now 
The govt. is stopping smoking in certain places for the health of people who dont smoke, it smoking didnt hurt those around then they wouldnt stop it. Simple as. They arent stopping it for any other reason, that would be against their best interests as smokers bring in a HELL of alot of money via taxes.
As for redbull, read what I just posted. I agree what your saying in the fact that its not good for you as are the other drinks I mentioned (coke, coffee, etc.) and totally agree, I never once said it was good for me. What I was arguing with is that drinking 5 cans a day is like having 20 fags a day....which just isnt the case!
And once again, Im not saying DONT smoke to anyone, I couldnt care if someone smoked or not. What I was wondering is why people smoke when all the negatives are very well known, costs so much, is becoming anti-social these days, etc.
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Cosmo
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I smoke In my own house.
I don't have yellow fingers, and I certainly don't smell.
I bet to someone who doesnt smoke that you will stink of smoke
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I smoke In my own house.
I don't have yellow fingers, and I certainly don't smell.
I bet to someone who doesnt smoke that you will stink of smoke
No they don't....i work in an office And i dont smoke in the day. I put clean clothes on everyday and shower in the mornings.
I don't smell in front of people who would sense tobacco stench. 
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If you smoke and you wash your hands and clothes you wont smell of smoke, its the people who dont who smell! I know the difference between them a friend is a drity smoker and he stinks!
Yellow fingers is if you smoke it right to the butt and smoke high tar stuff yes they will, only had a yellow finger once in 7years of smoking and it was after a dubious weekend and smoking 2 ciggerttes at once. rank.
Cosmo i agree in some instances about public places like resteraunts and things like that. The pub thing bewilders me, but i beleive again you should be given the choice as a landlord, not told what to do.
Anti smoking people pleased smokers opressed. Its not fair, being a paying customer and choosing one over the other would give power to the people and not too media swayed opinion.
Freedom of choice is at the root of all this nanny state crap.
YOu cant go through life and be 100% healthy, people have different vices, alot of them all have one thing in common. They will end your life short of what if would be if you didnt drink/smoke etc etc. All to different degree's and there are no rules that mean there is an absoloute.
If you had smoked, you would of understood why rob, me etc are banging on about it. You didnt soyou dont understand, its neither bad or good. Just different, as are most people.
Ive now forgotten the point of my post, so errrr xxxxxx 
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Cosmo
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I thought as long as the pub didnt serve food then smoking was allowed?
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John
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Smoking ban in pubs and clubs is brilliant.
Don't wake up stinking of smoke after a night out anymore.
Why should my clothes get ruined because somebody wants to kill themselves?
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C2RL R
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Originally posted by Cosmo
C2RL...Im not telling you to stop. I couldnt care less if you smoked or not TBH.
Im just trying to understand why you do actually smoke As you said you had tried to quit but decided you had no reason to (either wanted or health issues) so I was wondering what there is enjoyable about it to make you carry on, as I dont think the fact it is addicting can be the only reason.
And saying you have no health issues now to make you stop is the stupidest thing I have ever heard....so you'll carry on now as its not killing you but once you get lung cancer you'll stop.
The reason i carry in is not coz i want to but because its really hard to stop. It is litterally torture for me. So unless i become ill or just wake up and decide i dont wanna do it anymore i will carry on. one day i will have that motivation, but for the time being it is just not there. I basically have no will power at the moment so there is no way i could quit right now. You will never understand this as a non smoker and i hope you never do, so there is no point in trying to understand.
And as for your final comment - I see your point and if i was you i would say my comment is stupid too. But yes, thats pretty much the way i see it.
I hope you can see that i've been pretty honest about all this so maybe you could lay off a little. Rant over.
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Robin
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but what if, like my local, it serves food, but has a lot of smoking patrons?
the new law would either stop the food, or the custom.
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Cosmo
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Smoking ban in pubs and clubs is brilliant.
Don't wake up stinking of smoke after a night out anymore.
Why should my clothes get ruined because somebody wants to kill themselves?
I think thats the worst thing about going out sometimes, you get home and you stink of smoke.
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John
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Doesn't stop the custom.
They all just stand outside in the cold and wet to have a cancer stick instead.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Smoking ban in pubs and clubs is brilliant.
Don't wake up stinking of smoke after a night out anymore.
Why should my clothes get ruined because somebody wants to kill themselves?
it should be optional.
then people could chose where they go.
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Robin
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Doesn't stop the custom.
They all just stand outside in the cold and wet to have a cancer stick instead.
it would.
where i live, there are 4 pubs. one has a smoking ban, since it turned into a trandy wine bar.
they make less money than the others, because people can't smoke with a drink.
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Cosmo
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but what if, like my local, it serves food, but has a lot of smoking patrons?
the new law would either stop the food, or the custom.
good
There is nothing worse than eating somewhere when some arse is smoking right next to you.
I do think down the pub which doesnt serve food is a bit stupid though and should be down to the landlord. And if they allow smoking they should have to have decent aircon or something to get rid of the smoke better.
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John
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When the ban is in all pubs it doesn't stop people going.
As I said, they just stand outside in the cold instead.
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Jules S
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Smoking ban in pubs and clubs is brilliant.
Don't wake up stinking of smoke after a night out anymore.
Why should my clothes get ruined because somebody wants to kill themselves?
And how are your clothes being ruined by smoke?
Surely you would wash them after a night out anyway....
If you don't I would be fairly confident in saying you stink 
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Cosmo
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The profits of Wetherspoons bar chain have risen since banning smoking in all of their venues
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Robin
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but why should they?
it should be down to the landlord, if they want smokers, they should be allowed.
why are non smokers better people?
its as bad as banning breathing ffs.
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