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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
Wonder if you would be saying that if it was one of your family...  i don't think you would be some how, and he wasn't here illegally at all.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
if that was my brother I'd be wondering why on earth he was foolish enough to do all of the above.
In fact I'd wonder if I was actually related to him
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yeah.... sure.
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--Dave--
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no.. seriously.
Yeah I'd be upset, course I would, but I'd be a lot less upset if the circumstances above were to apply
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dna23
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
Wonder if you would be saying that if it was one of your family... i don't think you would be some how, and he wasn't here illegally at all.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
did u read wat i put katie?
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I really don't believe you at all, sorry.
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quote:
Originally posted by fox_e_lady
Wonder if you would be saying that if it was one of your family... i don't think you would be some how, and he wasn't here illegally at all.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
did u read wat i put katie?
Yep, hence the fact that comment wasn't for you, it was for Dave 
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
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Robbo
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Foxe lady, how many of ur friends and family are illegal immigrants
Police were 100% right, end of
theres nothing else to add to this argument
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dna23
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quote:
Originally posted by fox_e_lady
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Originally posted by dna23
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
Wonder if you would be saying that if it was one of your family... i don't think you would be some how, and he wasn't here illegally at all.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
did u read wat i put katie?
Yep, hence the fact that comment wasn't for you.
who was it for?
u'd like to meet ollie he's very liberal
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Originally posted by Robbo
Foxe lady, how many of ur friends and family are illegal immigrants
Police were 100% right, end of
theres nothing else to add to this argument
Dear god, people don't read anything on here!I ahve never said the police were wrong to shoot, i completely agree!! Like i have said before in this thread and before in another thread. The only thing i am pointing out is that it is unecessary for people to say that it is this innocent person't fault for getting killed! I am 100% behind the police!
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--Dave--
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
I really don't believe you at all, sorry.
no need to apologise because I don't care. 
And besides, you can't ask people to comment on that sort of scenario.
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--Dave--
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quote:
Originally posted by fox_e_lady
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Originally posted by Robbo
Foxe lady, how many of ur friends and family are illegal immigrants
Police were 100% right, end of
theres nothing else to add to this argument
Dear god, people don't read anything on here!I ahve never said the police were wrong to shoot, i completely agree!! Like i have said before in this thread and before in another thread. The only thing i am pointing out is that it is unecessary for people to say that it is this innocent person't fault for getting killed! I am 100% behind the police!
ok so who's fault is it then?
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quote:
Originally posted by --Dave--
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
I really don't believe you at all, sorry.
no need to apologise because I don't care.
And besides, you can't ask people to comment on that sort of scenario.
Don't comment on it then
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Foxe i read ur piosts, several time su have said how wud u feel if it were ur friends or family 
ALso as dave said, id hope i dont know anyone stupid enough to run from armed police into a tube station wearing a winter coat in the summertime 2 weeks after people bombed the transport sytem
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Maybe nobody should comment, because none of us were there, nobody knows what happened, and why he ran, so lets not presume.
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ffs thay shot him 8 times!
they should have made a non lethal shot first. not shot him in the head, and then 7 other times when he was on the floor
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Originally posted by fox_e_lady
Maybe nobody should comment, because none of us were there, nobody knows what happened, and why he ran, so lets not presume.
just because we weren't there doesn't mean we can't voice our views.
He ran because he thought he was being mugged again or something similar.
his own fault
end of.
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Originally posted by Greg_M
ffs thay shot him 8 times!
they should have made a non lethal shot first. not shot him in the head, and then 7 other times when he was on the floor
they shoot to kill if its a suspected suicide bomber
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One or evern 2 or 3 shots may give a bomber enough time to set it off, thats the only reason, i agree its a bit much but better that than hundreds dead ion a tube station!
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Originally posted by Greg_M
ffs thay shot him 8 times!
they should have made a non lethal shot first. not shot him in the head, and then 7 other times when he was on the floor
"better to be safe than sorry"
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this reminds me of what my granpa used to tell me
"son never run away from your troubles"
now everyone take my advice
dont run away from the police 
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by Edd_20]
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You know.. I do realise that this is a car website and that most things, especially in OD, should be taken with good humour or at worst, ignored. But every now and again somebody here says something so blatantly stupid that it begs answering.
So.. why are you apologising..
Well first of and perhaps most absurd, the chap that was shot was BRAZILIAN. Maybe those of you that do not understand take some time and look at an atlas.. and yes there is more in there than just the British Isles and part of Europe. You may have to turn some pages, be warned. This might even lead to another answer to another stupid question that was asked. The astute may discover that BRAZIL does not quite have the same climate that you are blessed with. So at 22deg the poor BRAZILIAN was probably freezing his nads off, so yes, a jacket was probably an option for him at that point.
Now to deal with why he ran. Well, as someone else pointed out, the police officers that 'apprehended' him were in plain clothes. Probably quite burly chaps themselves. Now to a brown man who's 1st language is definitely not English, being shouted at by said burly individuals especially in the light of heightened racial tension in London was probably terrifying. So he did what most in his particular circumstances would have done, which is to get his brown ass the hell away. Unfortunate that he chose a tube station, although he probably reasoned that it would afford the most protection, considering that there should have been many POLICEMEN about.
Now anybody that has ever seen anybody being shot at close range, and not the unrealistic Hollywood versions, would know that 1 or two shots at that range would definitely bring a man down. Shooting someone in the head at that range would turn them off like a light. With one shot. So I recon 8 shots were a bit excessive. On the subject of shooting in the 1st place, I would think that a properly trained police officer would know the difference between an individual that represents a clear and present danger and a brown man in a jacket. Especially since they had followed him since he left his home. Yes, it was a judgment call, and if they truly believed him to be a threat, then remove him from the situation, if possible in a non lethal far away from possible casualties. Do not tail him to a crowded public area and then decide to blow his head off. Were they waiting for him to crack a smile before he pressed button? It was a mistake pure and simple. One that should not have happened. Usually if sincere an apology is the very least that could be expected. In the light of present events I applaud your government for taking such a tough stance and more so for the apology when they realised a wrong doing. This is one of the key factors that marks a civilised nation in my opinion.
As for the gentlemen above that suggests that black people should not, in the light of recent events, wear jackets in public.. well.. lots could be said really. But I'll just say this : you had better hope that neither you, nor those close to you have anything resembling a tan my friend. Aparently it's just not safe out there anymore.
Edit.. Sorry for the essay.. my bad.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by Coolcrsa]
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--Dave--
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i'll be fcuked if I'm reading that.
Summary?
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Katie
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"same here, talk about an essay"
I take that back, because he is talking sense.
[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
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[Edited on 26-07-2005 by fox_e_lady]
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quote:
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i'll be fcuked if I'm reading that.
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he is right 
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