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computing science will not get you that
I know a few people who all disprove that theory Ross. Maybe if you go through the motions and scrape about then you don't get the job but don't assume that this means everyone.
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exactly, my mates still an apprentice all be it in his last year and goes all over the country laying floors for Topshop, Burtons, Dorothy Perkins etc etc, 10 days work and he got £1000 
I could lay a floor for £100 a day 
Thats only 26k. No offence mate but you need to look at the wider picture. Laying floors is dogs work. Boring, repetitive, uncomfortable. In that sort of job what he earns now is all he'll ever earn. I would rather work with interesting and intelligent people and do something with some prestige and some prospects.
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not slagging IT Tim I just think it's a bit unrealistic to expect 30K as soon as you leave uni
Its true tho. John has changed his mind twice. He started talking about walking into a job @ 30k now hes talking in 3-4 years
I think you'll find I didn't. I never said 3-4 years. I still stick by the fact it is perfectly possible for me to go straight into 30k if I got that degree.
Ross is just a twat same as every other reply he posts.
I was only posting my opinion on what I've heard and researched as I said before.
All the back door bandits on here quickly jumped on the bandwagon of knowing best though.
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I would rather work with interesting and intelligent people
Thats probably an argument for the flooring Phil, not against 
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Unless you really are very clever then do not expect to earn more than £20k max in your first year... most Uni people make me laugh... especially the Accounts ones... A lot of employers are looking at work experience these days and asking you to do study in your own time with their assistance... I've done it that way and am now on over £25k at 23... People I know who did account degrees are barely on £20k and they work for big 4 firms (PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young) and to be perfectly honest most of them only know the advanced theory - they can barely do the basics I'm glad I didn't go to Uni to be perfectly honest 
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not slagging IT Tim I just think it's a bit unrealistic to expect 30K as soon as you leave uni
Its true tho. John has changed his mind twice. He started talking about walking into a job @ 30k now hes talking in 3-4 years
I think you'll find I didn't. I never said 3-4 years. I still stick by the fact it is perfectly possible for me to go straight into 30k if I got that degree.
Ross is just a twat same as every other reply he posts.
I was only posting my opinion on what I've heard and researched as I said before.
All the back door bandits on here quickly jumped on the bandwagon of knowing best though.
I bet you dont land a £30k IT job straight from Uni
Unless u r some fuckin computer genius (in which case fair play) I know and work with several people who are very clever with computers at a young age and still dont earn that much because they are stuck having 2 work on helpdesks to 'learn the ropes'
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I'm in my second year at Uni doing Accounting with Law at a top 15 University. I'm going to become an accountant when I finish uni where I can be earning around 50k by the time im 30 in london for a top 4 firm. Thats my aim anyway and I'm going to work hard to get the best possible degree
But education aside university has many other benefits such as the social life, some of the friends ive made are awesome, and have many memories i wont ever forget.
Statisically graduates earn more than non graduates but im only expecting to be on 15000 at most when i finish but as soon as im a qualified chartered accountant it will be worth the debt and 3 years money forgone
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I would rather work with interesting and intelligent people
Thats probably an argument for the flooring Phil, not against
Could not agree more i did my degree with a US company while working there EDS (worldest largest IT Outsorcer) I was manager of northern ireland, wales and the midlands on one acocunt, the London and southeast was covered by a lad in his late 20's a 1st degree from oxford or cambridge, and he was the dumbest bastard i have meet in my life could not even have the common sense to make a cup of tea.
Plus IT is full of sad bastards (one a handful are normal) that play computer games then talk about them the next day hence me going to work for myself so i don't have to speak to these cocks.
[Edited on 14-04-2005 by Jodi_the_g]
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If anyone really doubts that employers look for degree's then flick through the career section of the times on a thursday. Plentry of jobs with salaries ranging from 30-50k asking for graduates with approx 2-5 years experience. Thats where degrees really do pay off, when you get some experience to back it up.
Yes thats a very valid poiint... however, by this point people who didnt do degrees but went straight to work will have 5-7 years experience :S OK, most FDs and CEOs etc are universitry educated but lets be honest... people who become big shot CEOs etc etc. are fuckin clever and wud get to those positions no matter what
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I'm in my second year at Uni doing Accounting with Law at a top 15 University. I'm going to become an accountant when I finish uni where I can be earning around 50k by the time im 30 in london for a top 4 firm. Thats my aim anyway and I'm going to work hard to get the best possible degree
But education aside university has many other benefits such as the social life, some of the friends ive made are awesome, and have many memories i wont ever forget.
Statisically graduates earn more than non graduates but im only expecting to be on 15000 at most when i finish but as soon as im a qualified chartered accountant it will be worth the debt and 3 years money forgone
certainly will mate... however, that 'can be earning' is assuming u make partner - perfectly possible if u r good at what u do etc but there are a lot of people trying to do the same as u now... i used to work with 2 qualified accounts (one CIMA and one chtd in ireland), 36 and 38 earning £70k and £60k respectively, they were gr8 at what they did an never went 2 uni and werent big4 trained im doing ACCA at the moment mate expecting 2 qualify in 18mths and wud very realistcally expect to be on £30-35k at that point
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Robbo... you might not have gone to uni but you're doing professional qualifications... ACA is prolly comparable to doing a degree...
Also, I have to add that I don't use anything I learnt in my batchelors degree. The masters on the other hand was probably the most valid education I've ever had for the career I'm in...
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Robbo... you might not have gone to uni but you're doing professional qualifications... ACA is prolly comparable to doing a degree...
Also, I have to add that I don't use anything I learnt in my batchelors degree. The masters on the other hand was probably the most valid education I've ever had for the career I'm in...
This is true but i chose not 2 mention that lol (nor the fact that i will also have a degree in a year in applied accounting :S)
Masters is a whole different kettle of fish isnt it?
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Its not the theory you learn on you're degree thats important, its the general skills and experience you gain.
My best friend did a Geography degree and yet had three offers from probably three of the toughest companies in the country.
He earnt 74k in his first year with Blackstones
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fook 
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Obviously thats an exception and he in fact has no life (approx 100hrs /week). He could potentially make several million over the next few years though if he plays his cards right.
Apart from that, I would rather have a decent degree and train with a big 4 firm than work my way up and do CIMA/ACCA in my own time. They're unrivalled on your CV.
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not necessarily... a lot of people have troubles BECAUE they have a big 4 firm on their cv... a lot of places prefer people they can pay less an build up etc
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Robbo
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that said, yes in general there is no better firm on ur cv than pwc etc
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Phil321
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How would you ever have trouble because of a big 4 firm on your CV?
A lot of qualified roles with City firms etc specify big 4 as a requirement.
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high salary expectations etc + in the 1st few yrs the auditors gain little experience
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A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
STFU who have no clue.
I have no clue? Everything I said there is from sources a lot more reputable than you and from my own experience so i think you should STFU until you know what your talking about.
You must have lots of computing science knowledge with you molecular biology degree there.
I take it your going to the middle easy then to earn your 30k the day after you graduate
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Originally posted by Ian
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computing science will not get you that
I know a few people who all disprove that theory Ross. Maybe if you go through the motions and scrape about then you don't get the job but don't assume that this means everyone.
what you mean if I don't go through the motions - seen a job I wanted, applied and got it. science does not pay that well when you just have my quals and even when I get a PhD I'm not likely to get more than 24k (todays rates). my boss earns close to 40k (double what I get)
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I fucking hate uni with a passion, should have left school at 16 and become a joiner or something usefull 
got offered a managers job with Tesco when I finish next year though 
depends on what you do. I loved my time at uni
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John
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
STFU who have no clue.
I have no clue? Everything I said there is from sources a lot more reputable than you and from my own experience so i think you should STFU until you know what your talking about.
You must have lots of computing science knowledge with you molecular biology degree there.
I take it your going to the middle easy then to earn your 30k the day after you graduate
Not the day after no. I might take a weeks holiday 1st.
You still don't seem to be paying much attention for somebody who is supposedly so smart.
It is well within the realms of reality that, if I got the degree, I could get a job paying 30k from uni.
I'm not an idiot in a diddy uni thinking i'll be going out and getting an amazing job.
As I said at least once, I could end up in mcdonalds.
However, as I also said, I've done the research, I know the possibilities, it's doesn't get you the kind of IT support job that every tom dick and harry seems to do now for all the people saying yes everybody has a degree in that.
The original question was what salary do you expect out of uni.
My answer was 30k. Now all the know it alls have had their say and I still stick by that answer. Perfectly possible to get it.
Now if anybody has done my specific degree at my uni then not been able to get a decent job from it i'm perfectly happy to admit i'm wrong.
Otherwise you can all gtf tbh.
edited becasue i didn't realise gtf was banned and it made the last bit sound stupid without it.
[Edited on 14-04-2005 by x8john]
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
STFU who have no clue.
I have no clue? Everything I said there is from sources a lot more reputable than you and from my own experience so i think you should STFU until you know what your talking about.
You must have lots of computing science knowledge with you molecular biology degree there.
I take it your going to the middle easy then to earn your 30k the day after you graduate
Not the day after no. I might take a weeks holiday 1st.
You still don't seem to be paying much attention for somebody who is supposedly so smart.
It is well within the realms of reality that, if I got the degree, I could get a job paying 30k from uni.
I'm not an idiot in a diddy uni thinking i'll be going out and getting an amazing job.
As I said at least once, I could end up in mcdonalds.
However, as I also said, I've done the research, I know the possibilities, it's doesn't get you the kind of IT support job that every tom dick and harry seems to do now for all the people saying yes everybody has a degree in that.
The original question was what salary do you expect out of uni.
My answer was 30k. Now all the know it alls have had their say and I still stick by that answer. Perfectly possible to get it.
Now if anybody has done my specific degree at my uni then not been able to get a decent job from it i'm perfectly happy to admit i'm wrong.
Otherwise you can all gtf tbh.
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If you have a degree, are doing one or just your view...
what salary would you expect to be on for your first job out of uni (with no or very little experience)
note how stupid you look now.
p.s why do you keep harping on about diddy university's. are you under the impression Glasgow is somehow a god like university and people will give you a job just because you got a degree from there.
[Edited on 14-04-2005 by vibrio]
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John
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
STFU who have no clue.
I have no clue? Everything I said there is from sources a lot more reputable than you and from my own experience so i think you should STFU until you know what your talking about.
You must have lots of computing science knowledge with you molecular biology degree there.
I take it your going to the middle easy then to earn your 30k the day after you graduate
Not the day after no. I might take a weeks holiday 1st.
You still don't seem to be paying much attention for somebody who is supposedly so smart.
It is well within the realms of reality that, if I got the degree, I could get a job paying 30k from uni.
I'm not an idiot in a diddy uni thinking i'll be going out and getting an amazing job.
As I said at least once, I could end up in mcdonalds.
However, as I also said, I've done the research, I know the possibilities, it's doesn't get you the kind of IT support job that every tom dick and harry seems to do now for all the people saying yes everybody has a degree in that.
The original question was what salary do you expect out of uni.
My answer was 30k. Now all the know it alls have had their say and I still stick by that answer. Perfectly possible to get it.
Now if anybody has done my specific degree at my uni then not been able to get a decent job from it i'm perfectly happy to admit i'm wrong.
Otherwise you can all gtf tbh.
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Originally posted by Thoday
If you have a degree, are doing one or just your view...
what salary would you expect to be on for your first job out of uni (with no or very little experience)
note how stupid you look now.
You really are a total dick aren't you.
How do I look stupid?
Did I say anything to the opposite of that.
I could get a job from uni, with no or very little experience that pays 30k.
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