Graham88
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What about road surfaces? Some roundabouts are slippier than others, people get taken by surprise all the time
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Joe
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What about them? I've never crashed or lost control unless I was being a prick.
If you are going round a roundabout at a sensible speed you will have plenty of time to correct any mishaps.
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Joe
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I'm guessing someone will use the 'diesel on the road' one soon aswell...
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Toby
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A blow out isn't your control though.
There is no denying if you are driving appropriatly a car doesn't just crash? I'm not saying I'm some awesome driver, I've had a couple of bumps but I take responsibility as I was acting the fool but cars don't just crash. Fact.
thats not what john said though, he said if you were driving appropriatly you would not crash, now iwould say 70mph on clear conditions and dry road appropriate on the motorway, if a blowout occured and you crashed its regardless of how well or how good a driver you are you could still crash
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Joe
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Originally posted by Toby
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Originally posted by Joe
A blow out isn't your control though.
There is no denying if you are driving appropriatly a car doesn't just crash? I'm not saying I'm some awesome driver, I've had a couple of bumps but I take responsibility as I was acting the fool but cars don't just crash. Fact.
thats not what john said though, he said if you were driving appropriatly you would not crash, now iwould say 70mph on clear conditions and dry road appropriate on the motorway, if a blowout occured and you crashed its regardless of how well or how good a driver you are you could still crash
Thats a stupid point, obviously if you have a blowout at 70 your likely to crash. Its out of your control and if you manage to keep your car in one piece its pure luck. My point is, if you are driving sensibly your car just won't suddenly crash itself......
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deano87
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Guys.
I drive a Corsa shit box with Michelin Energy tyres on. If you've lost it in a car better than mine, you're doing something wrong.
I bet I crash tomorrow now.
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John
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Something like a blowout (although you should be checking your tyres) is probably out of your control yes.
If it's something that should/could have been spotted easily with regular maintenance it is still your fault.
Diesel, road surfaces, even black ice etc isn't an excuse, you aren't driving to the conditions.
I've written a car off, I think lift off oversteer was involved, it was 100% my inexperience and lack of skill, nothing else.
Edit to say the inexperience and lack of skill caused me to drive well outside of the road conditions.
[Edited on 23-11-2009 by John]
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Graham88
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Diesel isn't driving to the conditions? WTF? So you take every roundabout at 10mph then yes? Diesel could be on ANY roundabout, but you are lying if you take it expecting their to be Diesel.
[Edited on 23-11-2009 by Graham88]
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John
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If you hit a diesel spill on a roundabout and crash you were driving too fast, there's no if's or buts.
The speed you, and me as well tbh, take a roundabout at normally doesn't change that fact, it just means you are always driving to fast for the conditions but 99 times out of 100 you get away with it.
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Toby
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Originally posted by Joe
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Originally posted by Toby
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Originally posted by Joe
A blow out isn't your control though.
There is no denying if you are driving appropriatly a car doesn't just crash? I'm not saying I'm some awesome driver, I've had a couple of bumps but I take responsibility as I was acting the fool but cars don't just crash. Fact.
thats not what john said though, he said if you were driving appropriatly you would not crash, now iwould say 70mph on clear conditions and dry road appropriate on the motorway, if a blowout occured and you crashed its regardless of how well or how good a driver you are you could still crash
Thats a stupid point, obviously if you have a blowout at 70 your likely to crash. Its out of your control and if you manage to keep your car in one piece its pure luck. My point is, if you are driving sensibly your car just won't suddenly crash itself......
im not disputing that fact that when its out of your control it is as is out of your coontrol, im disputing the fact that john said you only crash if you are driving in appropriatly which i have just proved isnt the case.
I feel that in my case i was unlucky and a quite a number of factors could have meant a different outcome. had i been driving like an idoit i could have accepted that but fact of the matter is that the car was travelling at 45mph in a 60 zone and was appropriate for the conditions but yet get listed as a bad driver by somebody who knows nothing about the incident
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Joe
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I just want to know which inconciderate idiot goes around throwing diesel about. Especially with the fuel costs how they are at the minute. Every time I hear of someone crashing there is always diesel on the road.
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Joe
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Originally posted by Toby
I feel that in my case i was unlucky and a quite a number of factors could have meant a different outcome. had i been driving like an idoit i could have accepted that but fact of the matter is that the car was travelling at 45mph in a 60 zone and was appropriate for the conditions but yet get listed as a bad driver by somebody who knows nothing about the incident
So what happened then out of interest? Just driving straight and the car just span out? I'm not trying to be a cock, but I have just been brought up to know that if you drive appropriately you won't crash.
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Graham88
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Originally posted by John
If you hit a diesel spill on a roundabout and crash you were driving too fast, there's no if's or buts.
The speed you, and me as well tbh, take a roundabout at normally doesn't change that fact, it just means you are always driving to fast for the conditions but 99 times out of 100 you get away with it.
We're not going to agree on this so I'll agree to disagree.
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John
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I'm not an idiot, I know exactly how crashes happen, I don't drive like a saint either, Ive had a write off and more than a few near misses. All my fault though.
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jr
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What about them? I've never crashed or lost control unless I was being a prick.
because you have 4wd (sniggers)
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BarnshaW
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i am going to buy a jerry can and at night go to roundabouts and gather up all the diesel. I am going to make a killing.
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Joe
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Originally posted by Joe
What about them? I've never crashed or lost control unless I was being a prick.
because you have 4wd (sniggers)
Hell yeah, saves my bacon every time!
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Toby
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Originally posted by Joe
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Originally posted by Toby
I feel that in my case i was unlucky and a quite a number of factors could have meant a different outcome. had i been driving like an idoit i could have accepted that but fact of the matter is that the car was travelling at 45mph in a 60 zone and was appropriate for the conditions but yet get listed as a bad driver by somebody who knows nothing about the incident
So what happened then out of interest? Just driving straight and the car just span out? I'm not trying to be a cock, but I have just been brought up to know that if you drive appropriately you won't crash.
narrowish back roads, apporach a bend 45 degree or so at 55mph (i have been round this bend in a vehicle travelling over double the speed limit to give you an idea and 65mph in the corsa in the wet) lot of mud on the verge side, which has been collected up on the tyres.
As leaving the bend there was a gravel track to the i beleve (cannot prove) left the farmer had kicked a lot of gravel onto the road, back wheels made contact with the gravel, mud and wet surface, back end came around and i went onto the otherside of the road in which there was a hedge a a very large wooden stake which caused the damage. Contact with the hedge was 41mph as registered on the speedo.
edit: dont get me wrong i could name 20odd people who have crashed being idiots but i would say 4 years and no points or other crashes would suggest that i know the time and place.
In fact had i been driving hard i would have been on the otherside of the road going around the bend, nowhere near the mud and gravel and who had been fine so if in doubt flat out
[Edited on 23-11-2009 by Toby]
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DannyB
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The only time I've ever come close to losing it was a few weeks back, it had been raining all day, after work I went to the petrol station and must have drove through some fuel without noticing. I was driving home, doing about 50-60mph and the back end just slid out a touch and it kept doing it all the way home.
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John
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Toby, that's your fault.
Narrow back road with farm equipment, in the wet, the first thing that should come to mind is greasy road surface.
Doesn't matter what speed you normally take it at, you were driving too fast for the conditions.
I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, all of it is in roadcraft.
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Toby
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Toby, that's your fault.
Narrow back road with farm equipment, in the wet, the first thing that should come to mind is greasy road surface.
Doesn't matter what speed you normally take it at, you were driving too fast for the conditions.
I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, all of it is in roadcraft.
yesh hence the 45mph in a 60 zone which would usually be driven faster in the wet. if the mud wanst there there would be no accident simple, experience and poor driving doesnt come into it as 1000s of people could go around there and all do the same thing due to the mud
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John
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Poor driving is the only reason for crashing in the mud.
I don't know why you would want to but disagree all you want. My advanced driving and consequent cheaper insurance have taught me otherwise.
Also, if 1000's of other people do it it's even more of your fault and even worse driving because you knew in advance.
[Edited on 23-11-2009 by John]
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Mike
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Originally posted by Toby
if the mud wanst there there would be no accident simple
But you should have known that it would be likely for the mud to be there when it's wet and had farm vehicles driving past and consequently over the mud which flicks it onto the road.
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Toby
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no what i said was 1000 of people could have gone around there and done the same thing except it was me. can you explain how poor driving led to the crash?
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Graham88
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Toby you're rising to the bait, just accept you're not as a good a driver as these cool internet people
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