pow
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Holy shit Arnie, did that little metal fence do that 
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Eck
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
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Originally posted by lee_wee
never experienced unexpected oversteer in my vtr, however i know not to lift off no matter how scared i get mid corner 
i get understeer often mind
So in a vts/gti when taking a corner at some erm..speed if you take your foot of the throttle (take it off fast or slow) the car will spin?
As most corners I go through I would generally take my foot of the acc or at least hardly press it..
If you're accelerating around a bend, then take take your foot off, the weight is transferred from back to front (because when accelerating obviously the weights going back the way) and the back end goes ridiculously light, then steps out. Try it in a stripped 106 The back end constantly wants to slide.
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FruitBooTeR
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Aghh Danger!
So why do a lot of people rave on about them being one of the best handeling cars for your money if the back end will constantly come out on a bend...
Spose its down to the driver and knowing how to control it.
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Stu
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
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Originally posted by lee_wee
never experienced unexpected oversteer in my vtr, however i know not to lift off no matter how scared i get mid corner
i get understeer often mind
So in a vts/gti when taking a corner at some erm..speed if you take your foot of the throttle (take it off fast or slow) the car will spin?
As most corners I go through I would generally take my foot of the acc or at least hardly press it..
What usually happens is........you go into a bend too fast, panic, then lift off sharply. Thats what forces the oversteer, if its done smoothly or on purpose, it can be controlled or rectified!
The theory is the same for all cars but some are more prone than others due to wheelbase, suspension set up etc. Same sort of goes for how hard they are to get back as well when they have got out of shape!
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Butler
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Dont be silly! If your lifting off ina corner and not spinning then you arent taking it fast enough. You will lose control in any car lifting off if your going fast enough. You should always get your braking done before a bend so you can keep the power on and accelerate out quicker.
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Butler
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That was aimed at fruitbooter by the way!
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22B
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
Aghh Danger!
So why do a lot of people rave on about them being one of the best handeling cars for your money if the back end will constantly come out on a bend...
Spose its down to the driver and knowing how to control it.
Thats the reason they are so good at handling in the right hands. Bit of lift of mid bend reduces the understeer but in turn increases oversteer which can be controlled if your expecting it, all the french cars Ive owned have done this 205 GTi, Saxo VTS and 206 GTi. The worst had to be the 205 GTi, hedge seeking missile.
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Corsa_Sport21
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Originally posted by Butler
Dont be silly! If your lifting off ina corner and not spinning then you arent taking it fast enough. You will lose control in any car lifting off if your going fast enough. You should always get your braking done before a bend so you can keep the power on and accelerate out quicker.
X2.
Lift off oversteer can happen in any car.Not just the likes of 106s and saxos.
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Arnie
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Originally posted by pow
Holy shit Arnie, did that little metal fence do that
Yes it did 
I was young, had a 2.0 litre Corsa and went a little too fast for the conditions round a corner. Back end started to step out so I panicked and started to brake, which obviously made it worse. I tried correcting it by steering into the slide but it bit back and sent me sideways into the railings!
I have learnt my lesson!
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VegasPhil
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link to thread? gutted mate U MELLON!
http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=459860
PL only!
Corsa 2.0 16v Vegas - Sold
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ShEp
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Originally posted by ChrisBoom
Now I understand why people rave on about them all the time, fuck me.
This one had cams, full stainless exhaust, ecosse induction, and a unichip i think, and fuck me it shifted, handling was awesome too.
Is it wrong I want one
Your brothers one?
Take a shot of the 205, it's my old one, and it goes like a rocket,
Then you'll understand why 205's are better than 106's
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corsa - gus
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Originally posted by Jamie_Hastings1
My mate had a sundance yellow 106 gti alot of headwork exhaust system etc. Was rapid. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SHl5ms9pZAA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AdFQskh3P3s
Bens old one is it?
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gazza808
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had a vtr and vts before buying my corsa.
and mrs has a gti
they are pieces of rattly crap.
hassle to work on.
chocolate gear boxes.
worst gearchange i've ever felt.
some of the stuff on the car is designed in such a stupid way. aka how the front shocks mount etc.
but do handle very nicely.
and the vts/gti are pretty nippy out of the box.
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FruitBooTeR
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Originally posted by gazza808
had a vtr and vts before buying my corsa.
and mrs has a gti
they are pieces of rattly crap.
hassle to work on.
chocolate gear boxes.
worst gearchange i've ever felt.
some of the stuff on the car is designed in such a stupid way. aka how the front shocks mount etc.
but do handle very nicely.
and the vts/gti are pretty nippy out of the box.
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tbf i bet youl get some people who havent had any problems and some like yourself who have.
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DannyB
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Like I said, I didnt have 1 problem with mine, and it got abused everytime I drove it.
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gazza808
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lol admittly track days and pod were seen often.
but gearbox will be common once you put some power through it.
any all
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My Saxo VTR was pretty reliable actually. And the XSi I have now hasn't put a foot wrong and that gets death quite a bit You'll find complete dogs, or just cars that seem jinxed, with any company.
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dean101287
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I had a go at one a while ago when I had the lexmaul on. He had a passanger, I didnt. Not sure what mods he had, he was catching me in 4th and we came to a round about and he had to tuck in behind me then the next roundabout we went different ways. He didnt overtake me..
Wound have done if we had more road tho
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calidus
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my 106gti was rapid and handled very well, very wierd way of being built though imo,like they never wanted anyone to try working on them! loads of sensor issues with it too. would I have another?hmmmm yes
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Adam-D
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not every car lift-of-oversteers.
my audi wont. never has, even when provoked. really sure footed car that 
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
Aghh Danger!
So why do a lot of people rave on about them being one of the best handeling cars for your money if the back end will constantly come out on a bend...
Spose its down to the driver and knowing how to control it.
Because? why do you need to lift off mid bend? Providing you don't lift the car will grip grip grip grip grip.
So if I keep just a little bit of throttle on, I can (stablely) go round any corner... so that's not shit handling... it's just knowing how to drive.
Corsa's tend to understeer if pushed too hard, 106's tend to oversteer if pushed too hard. Difference is driven properly the 106 will go around the bends quicker than the corsa and not crash.
I'm missing driving mine although I keep remembering the issues I had with it before I left and it kinda makes me think 'oh yeh... it was a bastard'.
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Ojc
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Come home now you idiot, stop wasting your time in these disgusting countries with nothing to see 
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yes because i owned both a vtr and a 206 gti and never once crashed or even came close in either, even in the wet you can steer into it, if not you must be doing stupid speeds
That makes you a great driver does it then, ya little "bad boy"
Stearing into overstear in a FWD car will probably do nothing. Theres one other small eliment you need to do to aid overstear in FWD.
Never onced crashed, and have you ever gone fast enough (hence FAR to dangerous) on a public road to encounter it?
The only place you should encounter it is on a track day, otherwise your driving far to fast for the road/conditions.
Edit, actually thats a lie, i've had overstear aided by white lines, and also roundabouts that are covered in diesel arn't particulary friendly either. But driving on a normal road, the grip level should be enough. Other eliments aid a spin.
[Edited on 12-11-2008 by VXR]
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XSIHardy
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dont realy understand why people lift there foot of,
just keep it at the same revs, thats what i tend to do,
hit the corner speed i no will be correct, then slowly press down, and thn once hit a speed i am comfy and safe with kep it there, dont see point in going facer shitting it letting of and dieing
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Daimo B
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Perfect corner.
Straight, brake + gears sorted, turn in, come of brake as it turns in.
Await apex, then re-apply throttle gently until a straight line again when you should be flat out again.
You shouldn't need to touch the throttle until the apex (or just before, depending how you've come into the corner (i.e tight in, wide out, or wide in and tight out, which means your on the throttle before the apex)).
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