Graham88
Member
Registered: 16th Apr 07
Location: South East Kent Drives: E46 M3
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by MoesTavern
quote:
Originally posted by Graham88
quote:
Originally posted by Ste L
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0
nuff said really..
Quality video. Explains things perfectly.
Not really, it argues that cutting the chicane gave hamilton no advantage which is bollocks really. Also correct me if I'm wrong but according to that Hamilton didn't give the place back, he just couldn't get the power down. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
How did it give an advantage? They were close going into the corner and close coming out of the corner. If anything Hamilton lost an advantage rather than gained any.
Kimi had the advantage coming out of it too as he still had more momentum, whether Hamilton intended Kimi to get past or not only he'll know, but Kimi got past and after crossing the start/finish line the race was continued as normal, anything after that is irrelevant IMO
|
MoesTavern
Member
Registered: 19th Jul 07
User status: Offline
|
Because if Lewis hadn't cut the chicane he would not have been in a position to overtake Kimi on the straight, IMO of course.
|
Graham88
Member
Registered: 16th Apr 07
Location: South East Kent Drives: E46 M3
User status: Offline
|
But only because Kimi had pushed him out, if he hadn't cut the chicance he'd have crashed into Kimi.
All IMO of course too
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
If it was the other way round, would anyone GAF?
|
ainsley_brader
Member
Registered: 24th Mar 02
Location: Tattershall, Lincolnshire
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
If it was the other way round, would anyone GAF?
yes
|
Nath
Member
Registered: 3rd Apr 02
Location: MK
User status: Offline
|
IMO Hamilton didn't have to cut the corner at all. He could've anchored up and followed Kimi round the corner, then gunned it on the straight. Bet he wishes he did that now.
|
Richardhhha
Member
Registered: 29th Sep 07
Location: Croydon, Greater London
User status: Offline
|
personal belief,
FIA dont want mclaren to win the championship..
Yes hamilton got the lead by over cooking it and having to take the hairpin run off, but letting kimi over take him before start finnish, then kimi blocks him 2 times before hamilton takes him at next corner, and kimi punts hamilton up the arse... Now he should be done for intentional contact...
|
Eck
Premium Member
Registered: 17th Apr 06
Location: Lundin Links, Fife
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Nath
IMO Hamilton didn't have to cut the corner at all. He could've anchored up and followed Kimi round the corner, then gunned it on the straight. Bet he wishes he did that now.
Exactly what I think Nath.
|
John
Member
Registered: 30th Jun 03
User status: Offline
|
If it was anybody else apart from hamilton nobody would care as above.
Typically British to make excuses for him, even bringing in what colour he is ffs.
He just wasn't good enough, nothing else.
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
Niki Lauda had some intersting things to say about this incident.
|
ainsley_brader
Member
Registered: 24th Mar 02
Location: Tattershall, Lincolnshire
User status: Offline
|
Its not about wether Hamilton did anything wrong but wether he broke the rules or not.
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
Which he did, he cut the corner.
McLaren actually have no grounds for appeal according to the rules of the sport, according to Niki Lauda.
|
shibby
Member
Registered: 6th Apr 08
User status: Offline
|
if hamilton didnt go across the grass and cut the corner he would have caused a crash, he took the clever option and cut across teh corner. fair play tbh he gained an advantage and immediatly gave plave back, gained no advantage as it has been proven he was travelling slower over the line. therefore he outbraked him fairly. i cant see how the 25 sec penalty is fair if all he did was avoid an accident and give the place back
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
He didn't have to dive down the inside to a gap which wasn't there.
|
shibby
Member
Registered: 6th Apr 08
User status: Offline
|
thats a fair point, he didnt. but he did and i think reacted fairly to it in giving the place back.
all this is doing is making it overly complicated
|
Siberia
Member
Registered: 9th Oct 03
Location: Leprechaun Land Drives : Zafira GSI
User status: Offline
|
theres is no way in hell he gave enough ground back... the engine note on the car doesnt even soun like he lifted...
why didnt he just wait.. he would have passed him anyways... look how much faster he was in the corners leading up to the chicane...
the same thing happen to alnoso before and he was give a drive through penatly... which is roughly worth 25 seconds...
i have no doubt that it this had had happened in the middle of the race hamilton would have got a drive through penalty also...
|
Butler
Member
Registered: 2nd Jun 05
Location: London
User status: Offline
|
Niki lauda is amazing, ive no doubt schumacher couldnt come back into the sport and do the same though. Lets hope he does, its quite clear to see that massa isnt the greatest driver ever, he has made alot of driver errors this year. Im quite confident schumacher could dominate.
|
sand-eel
Member
Registered: 15th Mar 07
Location: carluke/braidwood--IRNBRULAND
User status: Offline
|
 good reactions from hamilton there....
he is defo not guilty, the FIA just want to bum ferrari, i bet as soon as that happened some ferrari guy jumped on his golf cart and sped off to the FIA people.
|
Eck
Premium Member
Registered: 17th Apr 06
Location: Lundin Links, Fife
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by sand-eel
good reactions from hamilton there....
he is defo not guilty, the FIA just want to bum ferrari, i bet as soon as that happened some ferrari guy jumped on his golf cart and sped off to the FIA people.
Good reactions? He could have slammed on the anchors and avoided a crash, that would have been better reactions mate.
|
Robbo
Member
Registered: 6th Aug 02
Location: London
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
He didn't have to dive down the inside to a gap which wasn't there.
I believe its called racing, used to be a feature of F1 many moons ago
|
Dom
Member
Registered: 13th Sep 03
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Which he did, he cut the corner.
McLaren actually have no grounds for appeal according to the rules of the sport, according to Niki Lauda.
Got a link to that?
Lauda absolutely slates the stewards for their decision and believes decisions like this will put an end to fans showing up at races.
quote:
He believes the stewards misinterpreted Hamilton's actions and thought he had placed his McLaren advantageously when letting Raikkonen back through.
"They understood the rules, but they thought that the slipstream was the advantage and that Lewis did not lift enough," said Lauda.
"This is completely wrong: there was no slipstream involved."
"He tried to pass on the left but Kimi moved over, then he passed on the right because he braked later – without any slipstream.
"It's unbelievable how the best driver in yesterday's race makes no mistakes and only gets six points."
Also didn't McLaren get the "OK" from the FIA before the end of the race? hmmm 
|
Eck
Premium Member
Registered: 17th Apr 06
Location: Lundin Links, Fife
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
He didn't have to dive down the inside to a gap which wasn't there.
I believe its called racing, used to be a feature of F1 many moons ago
Unfortunately, this isn't F1 of old Robbo  If it was then fair enough, but since they've fucked it up and added these completely TOSS rules, they still have to be adhered to.
|
Robbo
Member
Registered: 6th Aug 02
Location: London
User status: Offline
|
As I mentuioned before, the Belgian stewards have history of making bizarre calls that often get overruled on appeal
|
Eck
Premium Member
Registered: 17th Apr 06
Location: Lundin Links, Fife
User status: Offline
|
All belgians are good for is making chocolate anyway
|
Robbo
Member
Registered: 6th Aug 02
Location: London
User status: Offline
|
*and beer
|
