Ren
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Old man works for virgin media and said they are going to be clamping down on this a hell of a lot.
I hope Sky don't follow suite.
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marklawton
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Originally posted by Ren
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Originally posted by DC90
Old man works for virgin media and said they are going to be clamping down on this a hell of a lot.
I hope Sky don't follow suite.
snap, lol
i can understand virgin doing it as they are a music company aswell as other things so are losing out themselves
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dannymccann
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I would say Virgin Media is a completely separate entity (in accounting terms) to Virgin/Zavvi stores?
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Ren
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That's true. Virgin isn't one big company, it's like thousands of small ones who have just adopted the Virgin name and funding.
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marklawton
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didnt no that, thought it was one big company
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Dom
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Virgin doesn't even own the record label or shops or radio stations anymore. Plus Virgin Media aren't technically Virgin - It's still the company NTL:Telewest (near enough same management/directors etc) - as part of the deal to buy Virgin Mobile they had to rebrand to Virign Media for 30 (soemthing stupid) years.
And although media companies/BPI are apply pressure for ISPs to crack down, the main reason is bandwidth, which isn't exactly cheap. Which results in ISPs loosing a shed load of cash because of heavy downloaders.
It's probably been said before in this thread, but encrypted torrents/newsgroups/p2p is what's going to happen next. Although it won't be perminent solution, as i believe laws will change to allows ISPs/Media Comapnies/BPI etc to decrypted and analysis these packets.
edit - Branson only owns 10.7% of Virgin Media (Ntl:Telewest)
[Edited on 31-08-2008 by Dom]
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Wrighty
Buy your music / media then, if you like it then surly you should be supporting them by not downloading illegal rips
Yeh but my gripe is, how do you know if you'll like something or not before buying it?
For example a music album, you only hear a single or two, before the release of an album. The album is marketted on the back of the 2 successful singles and as such you have no idea what the othet tracks will be like.
You buy the album. The 2 singles you know are great (if a little bit stale now), but the rest of the album is full of shit songs / filler tracks.  money down the shitter.
Shit argument though really. Ok so you download one album and only like two tracks and think "oh good, glad I didn't pay for that". Then the next album you download is ace. I'll bet you won't then go out and legally buy it so either way the music companies (and artists) are loosing out.
Your argument is like shopping. Not sure you'll like the product them so you open a packet and give one a try. There isn't a leg to stand on.
I don't know where you got this threatening thing from either - none of the ISPs are threatening legal action as far as I know - just warning you that what you are doing is illegal and that they may disconnect your service if you persist.
Fines that have been given for downloading have been calculated by a court and, so far, I don't think theres been a case against someone just downloading - they are uploading masses of material too. They may have only downloaded 'Colin McRae' once, but uploaded to 200 other users who might otherwise have gone and paid for the game.
Firstly, that wasn't my way of getting out of trouble. I was just justifying my reasons behind downloading rather than buying. Infact I have (I did mention it earlier) downloaded things that I thought would be crap and bought them as a result as I liked them. For example Klaxons album, 'the worlds fastest indian film' and a load more. I would not of bought these if I hadn't of downloaded them, especially 'the worlds fastest indian' I thought that'd be absolute shite.
I wouldn't be surprised if the current trend of good sales for new music falls off when piracy is squashed. My sister for instance downloads loads, but buys just as much - music is her passion, she insists on buying the geninue thing, but downloads things to 'discover' new people she hadn't heard before etc. I know you may think it's bullshit, but what you have to realise is that a large proportion of the people who buy music, are the same people who download it. Not everyone is just freeloading.
Secondly. The ISP's are currently just warning (but soon will be fining / clamping down / legal action) - however I was refering to the cases with code masters and other companies. Threatening legal action or pay up loads of money.
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39877&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=825
^^ for example whole thread of people who have had this stuff.
Finally Andrew  wtf, I didn't say it was definately going to happen, just a possibility. You can't say for definate whether or not it will happen either, so you can't call me an idiot for posting that up about net neutrality.
End of the day, 5 years ago people would of said Youtube would not be divulging the details of the actions of their users to people like Viacom because of the rights of privacy to the data, but they have....  This latest move by the ISP's about piracy prove they are the ones who have control and as a result they can do anything.
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mwg
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Im not bothered anymore. Just pay up and download it legally. Saves getting crap copies of stuff like sometimes happens and no risk of any letters from service provider
[Edited on 31-08-2008 by Matty G]
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AndyKent
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I think its niave to think that most illegally downloading also go out and buy loads of music. You're right that not everybody is freeloading, but a good proportion are.
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This latest move by the ISP's about piracy prove they are the ones who have control and as a result they can do anything.
Of course they have control, and have a responsibility to police the traffic that comes through their servers. They're all just as scared that Sony BMG are going to sue them for allowing access to material as much as you (not you personally, but people illegally downloading) are of getting fined for what you haven't paid for. You make it sound like its a conspiracy but if you leave it up to the public to change their habits nothing'll happen.
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Paul_J
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yeh I agree with alot of what you say APk. Currently I'm a freelance software developer and the thought of me working for a company later on, spending loads of time and effort to make something and then have people download it for free makes me 
However, I personally can say myself, I only download things if I'm unsure about whether I'd like it and if i do like it, buy it. I just remembered Minority Report was another example of one that I bought after watching a pirate copy. There's loads more but i'm struggling to remember.
To be honest, I don't download much anyway, mainly as I get bored waiting for it to download (as I could go and buy it for real quicker) - most likely why I don't have any letters through in the post.
[Edited on 31-08-2008 by Paul_J]
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I download about 50 music files a day on itorrent.
Last cd i actually bought was ace of base - the sign  (i was about 15 at the time)
Im with virgin and havent had a letter yet 
And branson sold the virgin musioc side of his buisness a long time ago to help out his airline. he also now owns 15% off virgin media hes the biggest stakeholder in the company. (used to work for Virginmedia)
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AndyKent
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I believe you Paul, but don't think all that many are like you.....
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by aPk
I believe you Paul, but don't think all that many are like you.....
To be honest, I can imagine. For example I know some people who just leave their connection on 24/7 downloading anything and everything.
It's an interesting time anyway... thank god i'm going travelling for 6 months is all I can say  just allows the situation to mature before I return.
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micra_pete
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Originally posted by Andrew
MIght have to stop going on porn sites now
porn isn't illegal
im with vm, I don't like being monitored, but thats just me.
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Toby
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Originally posted by marklawton
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Originally posted by Ren
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Originally posted by DC90
Old man works for virgin media and said they are going to be clamping down on this a hell of a lot.
I hope Sky don't follow suite.
snap, lol
i can understand virgin doing it as they are a music company aswell as other things so are losing out themselves
already have, they are one of the 6
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Originally posted by Andrew
MIght have to stop going on porn sites now
porn isn't illegal
im with vm, I don't like being monitored, but thats just me.
Yeah its a democracy, ie free country. Seems more like a Nazi Police state
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DC90
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Aparently they are going to monitor what sites you go on now and send out advertisement for that website. But I bet it's only for bigger companys, like phone companies or car insurance.
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johnhara1
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can you scan the letter and post it up so we can have a look please
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Robbo
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Originally posted by Ren
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Originally posted by DC90
Old man works for virgin media and said they are going to be clamping down on this a hell of a lot.
I hope Sky don't follow suit.
Ditto
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Daimo B
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Will i get a letter for dl porn?
After all, its coming out of someones pocket instead of a DVD, therefor it illegal?
Wonder if they are as bothered about pursuing these downloads over "famous peoples pop songs" and "big company video games"
I'll bet my ass they won't pay any attention to the porn...
Not actually true, but something to ponder.
RE Limewire, wtf? I just search, DL, save to folder... Am i missing something about this shared areas n all this
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dont use public trackers if you're using torrents 
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Originally posted by VXR
Will i get a letter for dl porn?
After all, its coming out of someones pocket instead of a DVD, therefor it illegal?
Wonder if they are as bothered about pursuing these downloads over "famous peoples pop songs" and "big company video games"
I'll bet my ass they won't pay any attention to the porn...
Not actually true, but something to ponder.
RE Limewire, wtf? I just search, DL, save to folder... Am i missing something about this shared areas n all this
Interesting point that mate.
yes you should, but I can't see it happening! if its siterips and the like then its no different!
But its all about the money, on the copyright note, look at you tube - you won't find any nudity on there, but you will find shedloads of copyright stuff, why can they remove one quickly but not the other?
Also why aren't we all getting letters for using youtube? I can view just about any music video i want, surely the same?
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dannymccann
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Im not sure people understand (or maybe i dont). The way I understand it is, they arent too bothered about you DOWNloading, as this technically isnt illegal (although morally wrong perhaps?). They are getting on their high horse about UPloading, the making available and transferring of data to another person/computer whatever.
So if you only leech and dont share back, you are out of the woods for the minute
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Ben G
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Originally posted by VXR
Will i get a letter for dl porn?
After all, its coming out of someones pocket instead of a DVD, therefor it illegal?
Wonder if they are as bothered about pursuing these downloads over "famous peoples pop songs" and "big company video games"
I'll bet my ass they won't pay any attention to the porn...
Not actually true, but something to ponder.
RE Limewire, wtf? I just search, DL, save to folder... Am i missing something about this shared areas n all this
yeah when you download a song/porn or anything it usually goes into the ''shared'' folder from which other people can upload the song off you.
taking them out of this shared folder means you are much less likely to be caught as they can't upload anything from you.
and to the person who asked about scanning the letter in - i don't have a scanner, but it was 4 pages long and it was the same one that people were showing on the news a few months back basically telling us the song it was, why downloading illegally is wrong and what you should do to stop it etc etc.
i only download about 1 or 2 songs a week anyway, and they aren't ever really mainstream artists, unlike shitty sugababes so thats probably why they only had the 1 song on the letter.
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Ben G
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Originally posted by dannymccann
Im not sure people understand (or maybe i dont). The way I understand it is, they arent too bothered about you DOWNloading, as this technically isnt illegal (although morally wrong perhaps?). They are getting on their high horse about UPloading, the making available and transferring of data to another person/computer whatever.
So if you only leech and dont share back, you are out of the woods for the minute
yup, they were talking about p2p filesharing mainly. this means you are comitting copyright fraud or whatever because you are letting people upload that music from your computer even though you don't hold the license for it.
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