Baskey
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Im sorry but if you hit something solid at anything over 50mph the chances are you wont walk again.
i dont buy this dont break bullshit, for starters if you knew you were going to crash and were a decent rider youd put the bike on the floor and slide to try and avoide hitting it (most prob an car)
I used to work in bike insurance and IMO (and not aimed at anyone on hear) most bikers talk more shit than kiddies in 1.2 kitted up corsa's who recon they have done a 'skyline'
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xa0s
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Here's the pics (I'm home now).
Ignore the chav gear -- we were working on the bike (changed the clutch):
Front wheel locked:
Kept it going...
Yes, it's a short burst, but it's the only pic I have.
Believe me now?
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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Baskey
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Me? didnt really disagree about the locking front wheel, just not to sure i buy into the dont break if your gonna hit something
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Baskey
Me? didnt really disagree about the locking front wheel, just not to sure i buy into the dont break if your gonna hit something
Not you. VXR said, and I quote:
quote:
Originally posted by VXR
If you locked the front wheel, 98% of the time you will go straight down. I know, from experience!!!!!
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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xa0s
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Oh and if you look next to the curb, you'll see another skid mark but we didn't get any pics of me doing that one.
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Sunz
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I would rather loose my licence then my life.
But I will try this no braking theory next time and come back with some results. 
Sri Luke you look like a scooter boy with that gear on..
Reminds me of Zest.
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by Sunz]
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Sunz
I would rather loose my licence then my life.
But I will try this no braking theory next time and come back with some results.
Sri Luke you look like a scooter boy with that gear on..
Reminds me of Zest.
It's worst than it sounds. You know you're going to hit them anyway, and if you're holding the brakes on you'll get your hands chopped off if they hit the car. Just let go at the last second and try and position yourself so you'll go over the top nicely.
And as I said, we were working on the bike so I chucked some old clothes on.
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xa0s
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Oh and just to continue this. Another reason why it's bad to brake hard when avoiding a car... If you do lock up the front, and go down, you're sliding straight into the car rather than just flipping over the top. I've walked away from all of my car collisions so I'll stick to it... 
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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Sunz
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You guys must be good riders !!
When I have crashed before doing 40-50mph I dident think left a bit now right a bit, perfect, JERONIMOOOOO!
just, FUCK.
No time to think.
Do you have a some sort of bullet time device on your bikes
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xa0s
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It's just common sense dude. If you're gunning it, and a car pulls out, and there's no gap -- there's nothing you can do.
Options are:
1) Slam on, take some speed away, possibly loose the front and slide into the car and have a dead impact. Possibly leave skid marks... Licence gone. Possibly loose your hands due to the clip-ons crushing against the car (as I've shown).
2) Brake but don't lock up... Licence will be fine (no proof), no chance of sliding into the car. Position the bike for their bonnet so you can go over the top, let go of the bars and get ready for take off!
What would you choose?
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Graham88
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I'd choose to miss the car
I dunno how you can 'not' brake, instinct kicks in for me too much and I just grab a handful of brake, probably the reason I went down twice due to people pulling out but hey, I won both claims
Poor Tony  R6 is proper fucked.
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Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by SRi Luke
It's just common sense dude. If you're gunning it, and a car pulls out, and there's no gap -- there's nothing you can do.
Options are:
1) Slam on, take some speed away, possibly loose the front and slide into the car and have a dead impact. Possibly leave skid marks... Licence gone. Possibly loose your hands due to the clip-ons crushing against the car (as I've shown).
2) Brake but don't lock up... Licence will be fine (no proof), no chance of sliding into the car. Position the bike for their bonnet so you can go over the top, let go of the bars and get ready for take off!
What would you choose?
i choose quit speeding you fucking retard and grow up
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Graham88
I'd choose to miss the car
As I said -- what would you do if there wasn't a gap?
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Originally posted by Graham88I dunno how you can 'not' brake, instinct kicks in for me too much and I just grab a handful of brake, probably the reason I went down twice due to people pulling out but hey, I won both claims
Yeah, but you weren't (overly) speeding -- there's a difference from doing 40mph and 90mph. You probably had a chance to stop, or at least a gap to aim for (I know this because the road you crashed on is extremely wide and there'd be a gap somewhere). If you know you're gunna hit them 100% -- what's the point? It was different in your situation because you didn't hit them. Obviously you'd brake if you weren't 100% sure that you're going to hit them. The point of not braking is to avoid skid marks for the Police to measure and to avoid more damage to yourself (when colliding with the car). If you're not going to collide, it's completely different... You went down due to locking the front wheel. If you were overly speeding you would have slid straight into the car. Luckily, you weren't.
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
i choose quit speeding you fucking retard and grow up
You buy an ST to do the speed limit everywhere? We've all sped at some point you deluded cunt.
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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Ben G
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i'm deluded? your the one who seems to speed and locks your wheel up everywhere you go...
theres a time and a place. it's not in a 30mph limit.
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xa0s
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Why does speeding make me deluded?
Are you fucking backwards?
I'd agree about the time and the place, but by telling someone not to speed is just silly when you're buying a performance car. We both know full well you'll exceed the speed limit at some point.
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Graham88
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quote:
Originally posted by SRi Luke
Yeah, but you weren't (overly) speeding
Overly? I wasn't speeding at all!
In the first accident it was down to in-experience. 2nd time it was that or hit the car, and I really didn't fancy hitting the car.
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Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by SRi Luke
Why does speeding make me deluded?
Are you fucking backwards?
I'd agree about the time and the place, but by telling someone not to speed is just silly when you're buying a performance car. We both know full well you'll exceed the speed limit at some point.
yes, but i won't be doing 90mph in a 30mph limit. like you said 40mph in a 30mph limt is a whole different ball game compared to 90mph in a 30.
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Graham88In the first accident it was down to in-experience. 2nd time it was that or hit the car, and I really didn't fancy hitting the car.
You'd stop faster with brakes and rubber contact than it sliding on shiny plastic so if it managed to stop in time whilst sliding you easily had enough time to stop using your brakes. 
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Graham88
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Not in the wet.
It doesn't skid that much if it digs in, handlebars etc, which is what it did.
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
yes, but i won't be doing 90mph in a 30mph limit. like you said 40mph in a 30mph limt is a whole different ball game compared to 90mph in a 30.
Your words were "stop speeding" -- 31mph in a 30mph zone is considered speeding. Try and be a little more accurate if you want people to understand your opinion.
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Ben G
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i said quit speeding actually. it is a mugs game.
keep doing it if you want, but one day it will catch up with you and i'll be laughing at you when i'm enjoying freedom and you're locked up after running over a kid who just happened to run into the road all too quickly for you to stop.
you can't fly over a kid.
i can't change your opinions, but one day you will grow up.
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xa0s
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
i said quit speeding actually. it is a mugs game.
keep doing it if you want, but one day it will catch up with you and i'll be laughing at you when i'm enjoying freedom and you're locked up after running over a kid who just happened to run into the road all too quickly for you to stop.
you can't fly over a kid.
i can't change your opinions, but one day you will grow up.
Have you never seen that advertisement where a kid gets hit at 40mph and dies, but lives at 30mph?
You just said 40mph in a 30mph zone is OK.
[Edited on 06-06-2008 by SRi Luke]
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Ben G
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have you ever seen someone put their bones back into the correct place after breaking them and dieing?
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Ben G
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i also said it's a whole different ball game.
hitting them at 90mph will disintegrate them.
hitting them at 40mph wont.
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