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I dont hink anyone here is really disagreeing too much with each other.
The thing that really annoys me is that when cannabis users give their ideas of legalisation we constantly here "you are selfish- you just want to smoke it yourself". Most cannabis users can see that by buying their drug they are indirectly funding terrorism and drug gangs. No one wants to do this.
Most cannabis users just want the oppertunity to take their drugs in a legal, controlled way and pay their taxes the same as every drinker in this country.
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hammer - they seem stable until they come off it, then you may find they change as people 
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Wacky backy is worse for you than a lot of people are making out it's not some namby pamby play thing that makes you giggle at the telly and eat bags of marshmallows. It can cause serious mental issues as well as turning you into an empty shell of a person. The harder drugs are demonised in the public eye but dope can be every bit as damaging on a person.
You probably dont realise it but you have just given one of the strongest reasons to legalise cannabis.
If it were legal people would have the choice to buy weeker, cleaner cannabis-- when you buy off a dealer you take what you are given-- it could be cut with sand or fibreglass, it could have other toxins spraid on .... If it was legal then you could choose to smoke a milder purer substance.
Legalisation would give people control over what they smoked and would cut down the long term damage that illegal weed is doing.
I know someone who actually sent a sample of some weed they purchased from a friend to their local mp..... with a letter explaining that this weed was being smoked around the county and was a major health risk.
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Possibly, 1 of them did try to give it up recently and crumbled after a week! I've heard you become reliant on it to fall asleep and stuff as well which isn't too good either!
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Originally posted by Hammer
Wacky backy is worse for you than a lot of people are making out it's not some namby pamby play thing that makes you giggle at the telly and eat bags of marshmallows. It can cause serious mental issues as well as turning you into an empty shell of a person. The harder drugs are demonised in the public eye but dope can be every bit as damaging on a person.
You probably dont realise it but you have just given one of the strongest reasons to legalise cannabis.
If it were legal people would have the choice to buy weeker, cleaner cannabis-- when you buy off a dealer you take what you are given-- it could be cut with sand or fibreglass, it could have other toxins spraid on .... If it was legal then you could choose to smoke a milder purer substance.
Legalisation would give people control over what they smoked and would cut down the long term damage that illegal weed is doing.
I know someone who actually sent a sample of some weed they purchased from a friend to their local mp..... with a letter explaining that this weed was being smoked around the county and was a major health risk.
People dont choose to drink 80% proof spirits every time they drink - they make a choice based on their capacity to drink alcohol, and how pissed they want to get-- cannabis smokers should have the same choice.
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I haven't read every post in here but my opinion is based on having done it as well, as hammer said basicaly, different people are affected in different ways, you can't however say, 'it's only dope, it should be legalised and there would be x benefits and no downfalls'.
What's next, coke? and don't tell me oh thats totally different because it's not, you start relaxing the laws and the next thing up becomes more acceptable.
Totally outside of whether it should be legalised or not though, if you get caught doing something 3 times they should put you in jail for being an idiot, that would clean up the streets.
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Possibly, 1 of them did try to give it up recently and crumbled after a week! I've heard you become reliant on it to fall asleep and stuff as well which isn't too good either!
See thats what i THOUGHT about it....
In reality, I ended up being more tired without smoking it. As im up earlier in the day, and do more things.
Half oz a week EACH is serious smoking though. At my worst, 2 of us would go through a crappy weight (very wet) half oz per week, but usually, it lasted us 1.5-2 weeks. Recently we were down to nearly 2.5 weeks....
I think your mates haven't got much willpower. Once your over the sweats after the first few days, it becomes easier and easier. Its just pure willpower thats needed. Something to aim for or a reason makes it much easier.
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I haven't read every post in here but my opinion is based on having done it as well, as hammer said basicaly, different people are affected in different ways, you can't however say, 'it's only dope, it should be legalised and there would be x benefits and no downfalls'.
What's next, coke? and don't tell me oh thats totally different because it's not, you start relaxing the laws and the next thing up becomes more acceptable.
Totally outside of whether it should be legalised or not though, if you get caught doing something 3 times they should put you in jail for being an idiot, that would clean up the streets.
You dont think coke is different to weed? Are you sure about that-- think you need to do a bit of research matey.
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FFS i said don't come back with that.
I am well aware of the differences.
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how are they not different?
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FFS i said don't come back with that.
I am well aware of the differences.
Then what you said above doesnt make any sense?
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I didn't mean different in that way, coke was just the first drug I pulled up that hat, my point is that when you relax the laws on one the next one up gets more acceptable, same with everything in life not just drugs.
Give an inch, take a mile.
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John's a coke head, he knows fairly acutely about how damaging it can be.
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how are they not different?
UMMM-- cocaine is styrongly addictive..... cannabis is not
cocaine is highly toxic- you can overdose form a small amount -- cannabis is less toxic than alcohol and tobacco
Cocaine general leads you to be agressive and hyper active witha sense of invincibility -- cannabis does not
Cocaine has disasterous effects on your heart which can lead quickly to heart problems-- the effects of cannabis are bad but far more long term
What more do you need.
If you want to compare cocaine to something- compare it to alcohol- they have many more similarities
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That isn't the point I made tbh.
Don't know what the small amounts of coke you are talking about OD'ing on are either tbh, 1kg?
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pepper my comment wasnt directed at you, are you high right now?
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how are they not different?
UMMM-- cocaine is styrongly addictive..... cannabis is not
cocaine is highly toxic- you can overdose form a small amount -- cannabis is less toxic than alcohol and tobacco
Forgive my stupidity but is cocaine physically addictive?
Also Cannabis may be less toxic than tobacco but are you trying to tell me everyone is running around smoking pure grass joints with cigarette filters? Nah they're packing them with tobacco then using a roach meaning they're getting all the unfiltered toxins from the tobacco plus the effects of the cannabis.
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Just made a badger of yourself.
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Coke.
Weed
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John
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He thinks they are different because it sounds like he does one and not the other, the people that take coke think exactly the same as he does, i'm sure heroin users think it should be legalised as well.
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I'm off to shoot up - i'll let you know in 5 minutes
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john - who?
[Edited on 12-03-2008 by willay]
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how are they not different?
UMMM-- cocaine is styrongly addictive..... cannabis is not
cocaine is highly toxic- you can overdose form a small amount -- cannabis is less toxic than alcohol and tobacco
Forgive my stupidity but is cocaine physically addictive?
Also Cannabis may be less toxic than tobacco but are you trying to tell me everyone is running around smoking pure grass joints with cigarette filters? Nah they're packing them with tobacco then using a roach meaning they're getting all the unfiltered toxins from the tobacco plus the effects of the cannabis.
Cocaine is addictive, i had a friend who got so addicted he was doing it all day at work.
Smoke spliffs with a proper pipe that doesn't allow any backy through, and allows more of the THC content to come through.
TBH, looking inside the pipe after every smoke, was quite disturbing. Black tar that stunk to high heaven, sticky nasty stuff.
Not liek this, but this is a smoking pipe you could get away with
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He thinks they are different because it sounds like he does one and not the other, the people that take coke think exactly the same as he does, i'm sure heroin users think it should be legalised as well.
Sorry mate but I dont know what point you are trying to make-- I dont see why you are comparing heroin users with cannabis or coke users- they are very different things.
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Cocaine is addictive, i had a friend who got so addicted he was doing it all day at work.
Physically addictive?
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