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If it was just a good car, anyone could drive it well.
Cupra Steve would be on the podium.
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Dom
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The fact that Hamilton was signed at the age of 11 to McLaren, giving the backing that no other driver on that grid has had and was put into one of the best (if not the current best) car on the grid, it's a very sore point - he may of worked hard, but the other drivers have had to work a lot harder to get to where they are now, working there way up the manufacture ladder!
And you say people moan about british talent etc, but the people jumping on to the "we love hamilton" bandwagon completly slate Button, saying how he's shit, has no skill etc When in fact the reason he isn't in the top 5 this year is because of his car (wikipedia last few years grid starts as well as Barrichello's)! I'd like to see Hamilton in the RA-07 - fact that he lacks any ability to adjust, i would believe that he'd be a completle pile of wank to put it bluntly.
So are you saying that anyone of the new drivers, if in that car, would of finished on the podium on every one of their first races? The fact he got the deal with McLaren is because they saw something special in him, they wouldnt just pump £10m into someone career without thinking he had that extra little something special about him.
And not everyone is slating Button who likes Hamilton. I think he is a great driver and wished he was in a good car as would be up there competing. But the fact he isnt up there (he did choose Honda when Williams had/wanted him) is why he isnt getting all the PR.
Hamilton is up there, he is a new young guy doing amaizing things that, even with his car, is not an easy thing to go out and do. So I dont get why he shouldnt have peoples support.
Im not saying he's shite and that im not supporting him (he's British FFS), infact far from it! And i agree, during his early karting days he was absolute brilliant, but McLaren saw that if they plucked someone from an early age and groomed them into their way of thinking and getting the best out of their cars, and fair play to McLaren for doing that as it seems that it's paying off. Perhaps this how F1 teams are going to do from now on.
But i just don't have as much respect for Hamilton as much as do the other drivers who haven't had the backing Hamilton has had from a big manufacture and had to work their way up to where they are now. And i just don't feel that it's unfair to the other drivers on the grid, i also feel that Hamilton is loosing out a little - he certainly lacks the ability to adjust unlike the other drivers (who are not only dealing with team/car changes, but also to a new tyre manufacturer).
And no, not everyone is slating Button, but the majority of the narrowed minded people on the Hamilton bandwagon are simply pushing him aside - someone was arguing the toss in another thread in GC, saying how he had no driver ability, his car is perfectly fine and Hamilton could take that car (RA-07) to a pole finish. What a load of bollocks 
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he certainly lacks the ability to adjust unlike the other drivers
And no, not everyone is slating Button, but the majority of the narrowed minded people on the Hamilton bandwagon are simply pushing him aside - someone was arguing the toss in another thread in GC, saying how he had no driver ability, his car is perfectly fine and Hamilton could take that car (RA-07) to a pole finish. What a load of bollocks
Where is the evidence he cant adjust? He has only had 8 races so far so not had to at all. Infact, if anything, he has shown he can adjust as has stepped into an F1 car and started performing straight away, rather than taking a while to adjust to the differences.
And I totally agree about Button. That car is shocking, he has done amazing in the last few seasons to do as well as he has. And the fact that Rubens is doing fuck all with the car either (proven race winner) shows how bad it really is and not just Button.
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Rubens could have been a contender back in the day 
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Dom
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he certainly lacks the ability to adjust unlike the other drivers
And no, not everyone is slating Button, but the majority of the narrowed minded people on the Hamilton bandwagon are simply pushing him aside - someone was arguing the toss in another thread in GC, saying how he had no driver ability, his car is perfectly fine and Hamilton could take that car (RA-07) to a pole finish. What a load of bollocks
Where is the evidence he cant adjust? He has only had 8 races so far so not had to at all. Infact, if anything, he has shown he can adjust as has stepped into an F1 car and started performing straight away, rather than taking a while to adjust to the differences.
Eh? He's been testing in McLaren F1 cars for the last few years (since 2004, i think) and been groomed for that car and team, wheres his ability to adjust? He's only been taught one way of doing things and thats the McLaren way.
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You make it sounds like Ron Dennis is a paedophile by saying Hamilton was groomed
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Eh? He's been testing in McLaren F1 cars for the last few years (since 2004, i think) and been groomed for that car and team, wheres his ability to adjust? He's only been taught one way of doing things and thats the McLaren way.
Its one thing testing the car (which is totally different this season as it is!), and its another to stepping into an F1 car in a proper race and winning it.
Its not like other young drivers spend 2 or 3 months testing then begin racing aswell. They normally start out spending time as a test driver, or doing drives for them over a number of years as they are coming through the ranks.
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You make it sounds like Ron Dennis is a paedophile by saying Hamilton was groomed
Now theres a rumour
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You make it sounds like Ron Dennis is a paedophile by saying Hamilton was groomed
Would probably been true if you were talking about Ross Brawn
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Eh? He's been testing in McLaren F1 cars for the last few years (since 2004, i think) and been groomed for that car and team, wheres his ability to adjust? He's only been taught one way of doing things and thats the McLaren way.
Its one thing testing the car (which is totally different this season as it is!), and its another to stepping into an F1 car in a proper race and winning it.
Its not like other young drivers spend 2 or 3 months testing then begin racing aswell. They normally start out spending time as a test driver, or doing drives for them over a number of years as they are coming through the ranks.
No i agree testing for a team is one thing and all drivers do it, but not all drivers have stuck with a team for 11 years, had the backing of a big team from such an early age, been taught the teams tatics and ability/how to drive their car, then strapped into one of the best cars on the grid. No other driver has had that....ever. Hamitlon doesn't know any different, he only knows McLarens, he hasn't had to adjust to drive the McLaren car. It's an unfair advantage over other drivers who do have to adjust!
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could i just add that last years champion Alonso cant even beat hamilton so far this year. So The current champ in the same car as hamilton STILL cant beat him. Backing is one thing but having the ability and skill is still something. It takes alot of hard work and dedication to get there and for him to have made it and be leading the season is his work not mclaren. Theres only so much money and support can do the rest is down to him.
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Alonso's car is a duff 
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Alonso's car is a duff
yes, they are fixing it so Hamilton wins.
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Dom
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could i just add that last years champion Alonso cant even beat hamilton so far this year. So The current champ in the same car as hamilton STILL cant beat him. Backing is one thing but having the ability and skill is still something. It takes alot of hard work and dedication to get there and for him to have made it and be leading the season is his work not mclaren. Theres only so much money and support can do the rest is down to him.
yes, but Alonso is having to adjust to his new car and the new tyre manufacturer on top of other new regs. Hamilton hasn't had to adjust, he doesn't know any different and Alonso isn't far behind Hamilton!
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If Alonso was good, he should be able to adjust faster instead of being a moany cunt.
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yes, but Alonso is having to adjust to his new car and the new tyre manufacturer on top of other new regs. Hamilton hasn't had to adjust, he doesn't know any different and Alonso isn't far behind Hamilton!
Alonso has gone from driving F1 cars for years and winning championships to this new car.
Hamilton has gone from driving a non-F1 car and a totally different McLaren to this years model.
Not too different.
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Hamilton is fit as fuck. Yeah. So he deserves to win.
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Eh? He's been testing in McLaren F1 cars for the last few years (since 2004, i think) and been groomed for that car and team, wheres his ability to adjust? He's only been taught one way of doing things and thats the McLaren way.
Its one thing testing the car (which is totally different this season as it is!), and its another to stepping into an F1 car in a proper race and winning it.
Its not like other young drivers spend 2 or 3 months testing then begin racing aswell. They normally start out spending time as a test driver, or doing drives for them over a number of years as they are coming through the ranks.
No i agree testing for a team is one thing and all drivers do it, but not all drivers have stuck with a team for 11 years, had the backing of a big team from such an early age, been taught the teams tatics and ability/how to drive their car, then strapped into one of the best cars on the grid. No other driver has had that....ever. Hamitlon doesn't know any different, he only knows McLarens, he hasn't had to adjust to drive the McLaren car. It's an unfair advantage over other drivers who do have to adjust!
Soo Hamilton should quit driving the Mclaren and beating the 2 time world champion because its unfair on the others?
he hasnt done as much testing as you suggest, drove in GP2 last season which pretty much mirrors the f1 season calendar, so you can hardly say that he has had years of testing Mclaren formula 1 cars.
I can see why a lot of people are sick of all the coverage hes getting, but its no different to what Fernando Alonso would get in Spain, and why shouldnt he get the coverage hes leading the WDC in his first ever season and finished on the podium, hes a down to earth lad, he cant help the media hype he is generating, at the start of the season people were saying Alonso would blow him into the weeds and it would probably damage Hamilton for the rest of career and why had Ron Dennis chosen him over say Pedro De La Rosa, I say good on the lad hes living the dream
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Eh? He's been testing in McLaren F1 cars for the last few years (since 2004, i think) and been groomed for that car and team, wheres his ability to adjust? He's only been taught one way of doing things and thats the McLaren way.
Its one thing testing the car (which is totally different this season as it is!), and its another to stepping into an F1 car in a proper race and winning it.
Its not like other young drivers spend 2 or 3 months testing then begin racing aswell. They normally start out spending time as a test driver, or doing drives for them over a number of years as they are coming through the ranks.
No i agree testing for a team is one thing and all drivers do it, but not all drivers have stuck with a team for 11 years, had the backing of a big team from such an early age, been taught the teams tatics and ability/how to drive their car, then strapped into one of the best cars on the grid. No other driver has had that....ever. Hamitlon doesn't know any different, he only knows McLarens, he hasn't had to adjust to drive the McLaren car. It's an unfair advantage over other drivers who do have to adjust!
Soo Hamilton should quit driving the Mclaren and beating the 2 time world champion because its unfair on the others?
he hasnt done as much testing as you suggest, drove in GP2 last season which pretty much mirrors the f1 season calendar, so you can hardly say that he has had years of testing Mclaren formula 1 cars.
I can see why a lot of people are sick of all the coverage hes getting, but its no different to what Fernando Alonso would get in Spain, and why shouldnt he get the coverage hes leading the WDC in his first ever season and finished on the podium, hes a down to earth lad, he cant help the media hype he is generating, at the start of the season people were saying Alonso would blow him into the weeds and it would probably damage Hamilton for the rest of career and why had Ron Dennis chosen him over say Pedro De La Rosa, I say good on the lad hes living the dream
I don't think he should quit but i certainly don't think that he should be getting this amount of public hype considering other drivers have had to work twice as hard to get to where they are!
And i know GP2 runs near enough along side F1, but he's been with McLaren for 11 years, and testing since 2004, i'd like anyone to tell me of any other driver that has had this amount of backing and then placed in a number one car?
He's certainly a sore point between the rest of the drivers who share similar views to this.
Still, i can understand that he can't help the media hype but playing golf with rappers and appearing in every advert available certainly doesn't show that he's staying away from it! And calling the rest of the grid monkeys, which was completly uncalled for (Steve Rider and Mark Blundell brought this up a few times) certainly doesn't show professional sportsmanship.
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His car will blow up tomorrow Dom and order will be restored.
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His car will blow up tomorrow Dom and order will be restored.
McLaren would rebuild him like the 6 Billion Dollar Man though
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I hope all the monkies crash and leave the decent driver(s) to have a good race.
[Edited on 07-07-2007 by Robin]
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Marc
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Raikonnen?
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Davidson, obviously
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