Robin
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No, Dean, you have it on at a sensible volume, you definitely wouldn't have it on at a stupid volume, that's just idiotic 
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Colin
Kids get left all the time, outside playing, asleep in another room, you cant wrap them up in cotton wool. The situation they left them in here was secure no doubt about it. Mav said he would leave his kids locked indoors if hes in the garden........that sounds reasonable yes? Someone could just as easily be in his front door & take the kids without his knowing!! This is a terrible thing thats happened but the parents are not to blame, its not like they were out on the lash!! Open your eyes!!
In your back garden is close enough to hear the front door being broken into, or the kids crying after being woken up, or noises from inside. Where they were wasnt!
And I dont think anyone is saying they should be wrapped up in cotton wool, or be at your side 24/7. But not being in a distance to hear them from, whilst your somewhere that is a strange location for both you and the kids is gone well beyond being irresponsible, its foolish.
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Colin
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He said he would only do it if his front door was locked Colin.
And the situation they left them in obviously wasn't secure, or the kid wouldn't be missing 
It was secure the door was locked or are portugese locks made out of sponge Have you ever seen anyone that knows what there doing get in a modern type door??? Takes seconds...no noise, the kids maybe wouldnt hear someone get in never mind Mav out the back cutting the grass or whatever!! Not so safe afterall eh!
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Cosmo
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It was secure the door was locked or are portugese locks made out of sponge Have you ever seen anyone that knows what there doing get in a modern type door??? Takes seconds...no noise, the kids maybe wouldnt hear someone get in never mind Mav out the back cutting the grass or whatever!! Not so safe afterall eh!
knows his area and house, within a distance to hear a reasonable amount of sound, knows the security of his doors/windows, etc. All stuff they didnt know.
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Robin
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How was it secure if someone got in and out un noticed? 
If they'd been there (shock horror, staying in at night on holiday  ) then they would have heard the break in.
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Colin
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Originally posted by Cosmo
In your back garden is close enough to hear the front door being broken into, or the kids crying after being woken up, or noises from inside. Where they were wasnt!
And I dont think anyone is saying they should be wrapped up in cotton wool, or be at your side 24/7. But not being in a distance to hear them from, whilst your somewhere that is a strange location for both you and the kids is gone well beyond being irresponsible, its foolish.
The person that done this obviously knew what they were doing, thus minimal noise, Deffo wasnt a clumsey foot through the door job, half the complex would have heard it!!
Just as easy for someone to carry out such an act over here!!
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Cosmo
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not to mention they also refused to pay for the babysitting service as it would cost £10 a night and you had to take the kids to them once they were asleep.
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Cosmo
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The person that done this obviously knew what they were doing, thus minimal noise, Deffo wasnt a clumsey foot through the door job, half the complex would have heard it!!
Just as easy for someone to carry out such an act over here!!
they prised open wooden shutter on a groundfloor room...not as safe as you'd get over here with double glazing and internal locks which you cant open with some noise!
Once again though, if they were in a suitable distance Id see no problem as they would of heard the windows being broken if they were as secure as they should be.
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Colin
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You cunts are going to argue for the sake of it, I cant be arsed with this anymore!!
Kids cant be watched all the time, no parent is capable of that!!
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Robin
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No-one's saying they can
All Cosmo and I, and Nath, and whoever else, are saying, is that if they'd been i the house, with the kids, it would probably not have happened.
Would you rather park your car on the drive, or round the corner where you can't see it?
I know which I'd prefer, and kids are far more important.
IMO, they could have been more responsible.
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bubble
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lets stop pinning blame eh?
the kid is missing. we cant change that
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Carl
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no point argueing, it's happened now, i'm sure the parents have thought "what if" for every hour since she went missing and probably regret their actions.
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Originally posted by Cosmo
not to mention they also refused to pay for the babysitting service as it would cost £10 a night and you had to take the kids to them once they were asleep.
Except on the TV today, the statement said they didn't use the babysitting service because they didn't want to leave the kids with strangers.
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Cosmo
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You cunts are going to argue for the sake of it, I cant be arsed with this anymore!!
Kids cant be watched all the time, no parent is capable of that!!
We arent saying they should be watched 24/7. But we are saying that leaving kids that age, in that location, when they were where they were is not responsible parenting.
Are you often around any 2 or 3yr olds Colin and know what they are like at that age?
When I was about 2.5yr old I was on holiday in a villa in Ibiza. I was in the room on the bed next to my Dad and in a second I was up, fell off and cracked my head on the floor and radiator...blood was everywhere. If they hadnt of been there, or in a distance to hear me crying, then I could of been seriously hurt with the amount of blood that was gushing out. They wouldnt of been able to hear that and would only of found them possibly 30mins later!
Had to have stiches and stay there for an extra week...also opened it up again chasing a Spanish girl and tripping on the pavement Got a massive scar on my forehead still aswell.
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Cosmo
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not to mention they also refused to pay for the babysitting service as it would cost £10 a night and you had to take the kids to them once they were asleep.
Except on the TV today, the statement said they didn't use the babysitting service because they didn't want to leave the kids with strangers.
not what they said in their first interviews
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Robin
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No point blaming them, you're right, it's done and I hope they get her back.
IMO, Colin and Dean are wrong though.
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Colin
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Originally posted by Robin
Would you rather park your car on the drive, or round the corner where you can't see it?
You could stick it in the garage with all the hi-tec gizmo's on the go protecting it, bottom line if someone that knows what there doing wants it they will take it!!
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Colin
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not to mention they also refused to pay for the babysitting service as it would cost £10 a night and you had to take the kids to them once they were asleep.
Except on the TV today, the statement said they didn't use the babysitting service because they didn't want to leave the kids with strangers.
If the parents put the kiddies into the babysitting & one of the minders abducted them it would be the parents fault for leaving a stranger to mind their kids no doubt..............this is a no win situation!!
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Cosmo
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You could stick it in the garage with all the hi-tec gizmo's on the go protecting it, bottom line if someone that knows what there doing wants it they will take it!!
but if you had the choice you'd add the extra protection? Or would you just leave it on the road, window open and keys in the ignition as if someone knows what they ar doing it makes little difference?
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Cosmo
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If the parents put the kiddies into the babysitting & one of the minders abducted them it would be the parents fault for leaving a stranger to mind their kids no doubt..............this is a no win situation!!
Nope. If it was the official hotel babysitting then you'd blame the hotel for not having the right staff checks. Just like you would if a teacher or childminder or nursery nurse took your kid over here.
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Colin
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by Colin
If the parents put the kiddies into the babysitting & one of the minders abducted them it would be the parents fault for leaving a stranger to mind their kids no doubt..............this is a no win situation!!
Nope. If it was the official hotel babysitting then you'd blame the hotel for not having the right staff checks. Just like you would if a teacher or childminder or nursery nurse took your kid over here.
But you cant blame the hotel for not having good locks fitted to the windows or having decent security?? The only person to blame here to the sad twisted fucker that snatched a young kid asleep in her bed!!
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Cosmo
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But you cant blame the hotel for not having good locks fitted to the windows or having decent security?? The only person to blame here to the sad twisted fucker that snatched a young kid asleep in her bed!!
Im not blaming the parents, Im saying they acted irresponsibly. The guy/woman who took her is to blame.
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Hammer
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Quite insensitive in here, nvr expected that when i opened the thread 
I think the time for the finger pointing is when she's found, in whatever state, i hope she's ok personally
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Cosmo
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Quite insensitive in here, nvr expected that when i opened the thread
whats insensitive about whats been posted?
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mav
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As for me, I agree on part with Colin that you can't watch them 100% of the time, i know this having a 4yr old and a 1yr old....And if somebody wants into your house bad enough well they would probably get in..Like as said If i am out back cutting the grass and chloe having her afternoon nap in her bed with front door locked I more than likely wouldn't hear somebody breaking in, might, might not??But my house is pretty secure..But you don't imagine it happening...
Back to the portugal situation...The kids sleeping in a locked apartment, where the parents were was over a wall and a high hedge, across a swimming pool and over another hedge and there was the restuarant.To me this is to far, and they could not SEE the front door..Maybe different if they could openly see the door but they could not due to the hedges..All parents are differerent though and I am sure they believe the kids were very safe..But I still say they were slighlty irresponsable for what they done..
The parents must be going through hell and I can't imagine what they feel at this moment..Thoughts have to go out to them and little Maddie...
Heres hoping on a safe return...
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