ed
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I like that rule 
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Robin
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ah ok, strange.
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davey_jack
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quote:
Originally posted by Pop
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Originally posted by davey_jack
Yeah there probably are legal requirements about exhaust noise levels, my point is that most traffic police have no idea what these are, but use them as an excuse to pick on people with modified cars. I admit I went off on one but dont take everything I said literally, only an idiot would do that.
i bet most traffic police have a hell of a better idea about the law than you do. the way your going on is just embarassing to be honest.
Well yeah they should do really being police officers, however these two didnt seem to know much when Shep asked them.
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davey_jack
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Why are people accusing Shep of being a smart a$$ when he asked some reasonable questions in his own defence?
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Robbo
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Isn't the dB level in the 70's 
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Robbo
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PS fair play for fighting your corner mate 
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
Isn't the dB level in the 70's
i thought it was 75 or 76...
but i'm not gonna argue 
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James_DT
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http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/cars-and-noise.asp 
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J100RSA
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its all bulshit i can pass a car's mot if i think the exhaust is not too loud but then its all down to oppinion its like tinted windows they screwed every one over on that and now the income of funds have dried up and they've now thought of something elese to screw us with
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Marc
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Originally posted by Steve
hes an officer
An officer of the law.
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Davido
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Originally posted by rich_cooper
They cannot test your exhaust in any built up or enclosed area. They have to be somewhere the exhaust sound will not bounce off or echo. If they did not do this the it cannot stand. Also if they dont know how load its aloud to be them in my eyes the can fuck off.
The poloice around my area are beginning to be abit stupid. The other night they where pulling people over for no reason, other than to do searches on randam cars.
If the police decided to try and get people with no insurace, licence etc then i wouldnt have a problem, but when they are just pulling people up for no reason it really pisses me off.
They aret bothered about the stupid twats on mopeds who decide to ride up your arse in gangs of about 10 for about half an hour. Thats what they do in mansfield and one day someone is going to hurt a mopeder for being a twat. Then when you get out and threaten them with your steering lock the police want to talk to you.
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Davido
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cant be bothered to be honest to even reply to you shep i deal with people like yourself day in day out who think you can beat the system and are above the law, i guarentee what these officers did was good practice yet your ignorance towards the laws makes you think theyre doing it for the sake of it etc ed your comment is pathetic patrol officers have to go out and find work what do you expect us to do, police is a public service and im sure you would be the first to complain if copps were sacking it off and spending the whole shift not actually doing the job they are paid for.
[Edited on 14-09-2006 by Davido]
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Robin
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you cant argue that ALL police officers do their job right ALL the time.
does the equipment have to be calibrated, and only used in certain circumstances?
because if it does, Shep has a point IMO
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Welsh Dan
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I know my car was 99db when it was tested at Castle Coombe and I never had any problems with the exhaust being too loud.
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Davido
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im assuming the it was a residential area and believe it or not he could have issued a section 59 on you and the car which last for 12 months, then if you were seen driving in a manner which can cause distress to others i.e loud exhaust or careless driving your car can be seized. as for not all coppers doing their job right sadly yeah as in all jobs there will be the small percentage who try to do as little as poss, however i will be very suprised if the courts find it in your favour the officers dont have to show you any certificate you have no legal right what so ever to request to see that, and as you turned down the initial fine i believe they will probably double that as it was you requested to go to court.
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Robin
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so the equipment might not be calibrated properly, but he cant ask to see that
the reading might be wrong, but he can still be fined
thats stupid.
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Davido
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also the officer not knowing what the required level is, is not him not knowing wat he is doing but every car has a different standard level so it would be extremely impressive for them to know them all by memory
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Robin
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but there must be a legal limit for any car at all.
like 100dB or something.
are you saying that no increase in noise at all is acceptable?
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Davido
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Originally posted by robmarriott
so the equipment might not be calibrated properly, but he cant ask to see that
the reading might be wrong, but he can still be fined
thats stupid.
the relevant paper work will be at the station you dont carry around calibration books in the car, if the officers have been doing their job proper which im certain they will hes going to receive a heavier fine for wanting to go court then it being found in the police favour, everything we do caution -fine etc has to be able to be justified in court in issuing the £30 origonal fine then his reading will have been over the standard. and no you do not have any legal right to see any calibration tests whether the machines actually even need one or not im not even sure, the courts can request that but i dont see it will even go that far.
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Davido
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Originally posted by robmarriott
but there must be a legal limit for any car at all.
like 100dB or something.
are you saying that no increase in noise at all is acceptable?
obviously yes but then there is an upper limit as some cars are stupidly loud, and its unfair when residents have to be in their homes and have people driving up and down making so much noise.
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ShEp
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Originally posted by Davido
cant be bothered to be honest to even reply to you shep i deal with people like yourself day in day out who think you can beat the system and are above the law, i guarentee what these officers did was good practice yet your ignorance towards the laws makes you think theyre doing it for the sake of it etc ed your comment is pathetic patrol officers have to go out and find work what do you expect us to do, police is a public service and im sure you would be the first to complain if copps were sacking it off and spending the whole shift not actually doing the job they are paid for.
[Edited on 14-09-2006 by Davido]
how am i fighting the law? what the hell is the law?
you explain it please cos that 2 twats that stopped me didnt have a bloody clue, fair enuff your sticking up for your fellow workers, but they didnt have a scooby doo,
read the previous posts, i was perfectly ok with the police till they started talking down to me
they're there to help the public, but i see the causing more of a nuisance and rileing tempers most of the time
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ShEp
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quote:
Originally posted by Davido
im assuming the it was a residential area and believe it or not he could have issued a section 59 on you and the car which last for 12 months, then if you were seen driving in a manner which can cause distress to others i.e loud exhaust or careless driving your car can be seized. as for not all coppers doing their job right sadly yeah as in all jobs there will be the small percentage who try to do as little as poss, however i will be very suprised if the courts find it in your favour the officers dont have to show you any certificate you have no legal right what so ever to request to see that, and as you turned down the initial fine i believe they will probably double that as it was you requested to go to court.
it wasnt late at night, and my car reads 86.6 db at a constant 4000rpm
ive since had my car tested by a calibrated machine and i have a certificate, and i shall be taking it with me to court,
my car was not getting driven in a manner which would cause distress, i was doing 27mph from tesco to my house after buying a packet of fags,
as said in a previous post i dont go out ragging it up and down the street, i could understand the way the cops were if i gave them grief or if i was annoying people around my town, but i wasnt.
i think you have to face is that these 2 coppers were not doing thier job correctly.
and i cannot be charged as they dont know the legal limit, they dont have a calibration cert.. they cant as the only proof they have has a massive flaw, its not 100% and im going to query it in court,
i am in no way going to roll over and let them fuck me off again, ive been there in the past, i am an mot tester also i have my ticket although im not in that line of work anymore so i know what the legal requirements are,
if i was doing something blatantly wrong/illegal i would of taken the fine and thanked them for the warning, but when theyre out there just to make revenue then they can keep searching for another mug, cos i aint playing theyre fucking game
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ShEp
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if mav reads this can you delete the little argument going on please, this post could be informative for people as i know lots of people are getting harassed with this law right now.
if the police put one of those section 59's on me and uplifted my car i'd have it back the next day, cos there is no cast iron proof of what i done wrong 
so whoever the copper is here, go speak to your CO u tell him everything ive said, and then and only then come back and tell me i dont have a leg to stand on
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DaNnY_LaD
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Mine read 107.2 which is really loud....I Get funny looks all the time but they cant say shit as i just had my Mot with that reading and it pass'ed so its not a disturace(sp)
Thing it goes down to what engine you have..
[Edited on 14-09-2006 by DaNnY_LaD]
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davey_jack
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With you all the way ShEp, I can understand when they are out there stopping idiotic drivers speeding around schools etc but when you have done absolutely nothing wrong and they decide to f*ck you over just because they cant find anyone breaking the law, you have every right to question their logic for doing so.
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