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Originally posted by --Dave--
Lampard on the bench  you're making me laugh.
And no I'm not a Chelsea fan.
it would make me laugh to drop gerrard, i think lampard is brilliant but you have to drop one of them and theres noway you could drop gerrard hes to good. So it makes more sense to leave lampard out and have a natural holding midfielder i.e king/carrick
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J da Silva
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If only Dida, Cafu,Gustavo Nery,Luisao,Lucio,Emerson,Kaka,Ze Roberto,Ronaldinho,Adriano and Nilmar all had English rights.
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topshot_2k
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i think sven should take aaron lennon (spurs) hes been awesome for us the last few games, really come along way, plus have you seen his pace and control?? he leaves left backs/mids for dead.
as for sol, hes a complete donkey.
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carrick should go too. as backup for gerrard/lampard/beckham
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PhilC
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Originally posted by Danny P
If I were gunna play 3-5-2 my team would be:
Robinson
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
Carragher
A.Cole
J.Cole
Lampard
Gerrard
Owen
Crouch
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jonnysri
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we are fucked for the world cup now. there is only one player that would have made a serious difference for the team and we all know who it is.
im gutted for the guy, he cant play in the greatest competition and to play for his country. we are going to have to pull something out of our asses to progress.
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Cosmo
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Team IMO
Robinson
Neville
Terry
Carra
A.Cole (If he is fit)
Beckham
Lampard
Gerrard
King (If he is fit)
Bent/Defoe
Owen (if he is fit)
There are some problems with that team though but its the best line up...
Gerrard and Lampard in the middle means Gerrard will be forced to take the defensive role and therefore we'll never see the best of him but Lampard is too good to leave out aswell. We could put Gerrard on the right and play someone like King (if he is fit) as a holding man, but again we'll not see the best of Gerrard. Or what I think...King as a holding man, and Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard across the middle with Gerrard the centre of the 3.
If we go with that last option then Crouch will be useless as we wont be playing a wide game to put crosses in so we would need pace upfront in Owen/Bent/Defoe. Then if things got bad towards the end we can throw Crouch on and go to 4 across the middle to put crosses in.
And personally, the centre of defence pairing should be the easiest decision to make because Terry and Carra have been the best pair in the Premiership for the last two seasons. Rio has been out injured and banned aswell as being prone to making mistakes. And Sol, as good as he used to be is nothing of what he was and wouldnt be in the squad if I was picking it...especially with his lack of games.
[Edited on 02-05-2006 by Cosmo]
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J da Silva
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England are very predictable with their squad selection, you can guarentee atleast 15 names without watching the news, this is what all these foreign signings are causing, English youngsters can't get match experience.
Bring back the 3 overseas players only rule I say, but at the moment the likes of C.Ronaldo and Henry aren't classed as foreign as they are EU. silly
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by VenomTurbo
England are very predictable with their squad selection, you can guarentee atleast 15 names without watching the news, this is what all these foreign signings are causing, English youngsters can't get match experience.
Bring back the 3 overseas players only rule I say, but at the moment the likes of C.Ronaldo and Henry aren't classed as foreign as they are EU. silly
you kinda agree but dont at the same time.
I think more english players coming through would be good, but I also think that if the English players are good enough the they will still break through and those are the ones who would be getting into the England team.
All the top clubs have huge accadamies these days and the best will always come through still regardless of how many foreign players are at the club.
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J da Silva
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by VenomTurbo
England are very predictable with their squad selection, you can guarentee atleast 15 names without watching the news, this is what all these foreign signings are causing, English youngsters can't get match experience.
Bring back the 3 overseas players only rule I say, but at the moment the likes of C.Ronaldo and Henry aren't classed as foreign as they are EU. silly
you kinda agree but dont at the same time.
I think more english players coming through would be good, but I also think that if the English players are good enough the they will still break through and those are the ones who would be getting into the England team.
All the top clubs have huge accadamies these days and the best will always come through still regardless of how many foreign players are at the club.
Ok so would you rather take a player having played a full season for his club? or would you take the player having had him sat on the bench for a season, only getting a few sub appearances?
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Originally posted by VenomTurbo
Ok so would you rather take a player having played a full season for his club? or would you take the player having had him sat on the bench for a season, only getting a few sub appearances?
No, dont get me wrong Im on about English players breaking it through from the youth teams to the first team at big clubs. Which if the player is good enough to play for England will be a starter for the first team.
Im not talking about teams buying huge squads and then buying Enlgish players they dont need (to stop other teams having them) only to leave them on the bench....*cough SWP @ Chelski cough* but then you have to take into account the players, as half of them know damn well they wont play but go there anyway.
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J da Silva
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I just think England hang onto dead wood too long, Neville, Owen, Ferdinand being examples
The way I see it, most of the english team have secured places, they dont have to fight for their place, whereas if you start axing a few players, when they do get back in the side they try like hell to make their mark.
I think England need an intelligent manager and board behind them.
[Edited on 02-05-2006 by VenomTurbo]
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Cosmo
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I just think England hang onto dead wood too long, Neville, Owen, Ferdinand being examples
The way I see it, most of the english team have secured places, they dont have to fight for their place, whereas if you start axing a few players, when they do get back in the side they try like hell to make their mark.
I think England need an intelligent manager and board behind them.
Its the same for any national team though.
There is no one else in those positions better than them, players know that even if you take them out the team there isnt someone coming in who is going to be consistantly better than them. And its not like club football where you can go out and buy anyone worldwide for that position.
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J da Silva
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I don't think it is, I know for a fact Brazil don't do it unless your like Cafu, still as good as he was at 25-26 years old, although Maicon, Cicinho, Diego Coelho and Eduardo are ready to step in.
Ronaldo gets axed when hes lazy and Adriano takes advantage of it.
Argies are doing the same, Tevez and Messi are pushing Delgado and D Milito out, but when Delgado and Milito get back in, they make themselves known. Whether its coincidence or good thinking who knows but proof is in the pudding as they say.
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Cosmo
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I don't think it is, I know for a fact Brazil don't do it unless your like Cafu, still as good as he was at 25-26 years old, although Maicon, Cicinho, Diego Coelho and Eduardo are ready to step in.
Ronaldo gets axed when hes lazy and Adriano takes advantage of it.
Argies are doing the same, Tevez and Messi are pushing Delgado and D Milito out, but when Delgado and Milito get back in, they make themselves known. Whether its coincidence or good thinking who knows but proof is in the pudding as they say.
yeah but our replacements for people like Neville and Owen arent to the same standards as Adriano, Messi, Tevez, etc. We just dont have that many 'world class' players coming through and thats not because of the clubs its just the skill isnt there!
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Well I personally think it's due to the English talent not being used enough in it's domestic league enough to make them grow into a world class player, it's been an interesting topic though
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Robinson
G Neville
Terry
Rio
A Cole
Beckham
Gerrard
Lampard
J Cole
Owen
Crouch/Beattie/Bent
Or similar.
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Jake
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Beckham doesnt do enough these days.
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Nath
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Beckham is still one of the best pin point passers in the world. I dont understand why he gets slated so much. His free kicks aren't the same, but he can still cross like nobody else.
[Edited on 02-05-2006 by Nath]
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Robinson
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
A Cole
A Lennon
D Beckham
F Lampard
J Cole
S Gerrard
M Owen
UNTIL Rooney is fit 
I think personally Lennon looks a good prospect and IMO could scare the shite out of foreign defences!
I can't stand Gary Neville but he just about beats Luke Young 
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Robbo
Robinson
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
A Cole
A Lennon
D Beckham
F Lampard
J Cole
S Gerrard
M Owen
UNTIL Rooney is fit
I think personally Lennon looks a good prospect and IMO could scare the shite out of foreign defences!
I can't stand Gary Neville but he just about beats Luke Young
could agree with that team other than Rio instead of Carra 
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I would still play Rio as, IMO, hes still a big game player and Carragher, IMO, lacks big match international std practice (runs and hides lol)
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Also i would still take Campbell as King is unfit (shame as I would have had him in the middle of the park!)
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I would still play Rio as, IMO, hes still a big game player and Carragher, IMO, lacks big match international std practice (runs and hides lol)
has played in a Champions League upto the final and was immense! If sven pulled his head out of his arse he would play him in the place he rightfully deserves. But he wont pick him ahead of Rio so pointless arguing!!
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Yeah but internationally hes still fairly unused
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