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yes, hence my previous post
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Ojc
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Originally posted by danny_vx
i'd love to live near heathrow... the closest I get to hearing aircraft activity is the police helicopter, flying over townhill chasing pikey carthieves. 
When Concord was still flying you could set your watch by it, every evening at 19.14 it would fly over my house on its final approach to Heathrow.
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Originally posted by Ojc
When Concord was still flying you could set your watch by it, every evening at 19.14 it would fly over my house on its final approach to Heathrow.
 
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Originally posted by PaulW
Pic of the big black smokey patch where it originall seem'd to go Boom
Piccie of the plane flying & coming lower (not that 1 engine is still emitting 'black smoke' or what looks like it anyways...
Gona keep an eye on the news & see whats what...
I dont see anything unusual really? just a thick Contrail typical of a cold atmosphere with a contrasting pressure difference? Sunlight and reflections can often give the contrails a dark appearence, leading many people to believe its smoke, when its merely a thick contrail from the aircrafts engines. i wouldnt worry about it
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Originally posted by Cosmo
the engines dont keep the plane in the air, they just make it go forward. The wing shape is what keeps it up there
 You learn something everyday ^^^^^^^^
So going on that theory does that mean that if the engines fail, it will stay up there suspended in mid air because of the shape of the wings  PMSL !!
Seriously tho, it's just not right that a big thing like that can keep up in the air at all !! The thought of it scares me to death
are you serious its simply physics and Bernoullis principle of flight, as well as Newtons 3rd law of motion
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Originally posted by Black Corsa SRi
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Originally posted by ed
Remember reading that a BA flight did a trans atlantic on one engine, used so much fuel it needed to land in Ireland because it couldn't make it to Gatwick or Heathrow....
are you sure? i think it may have lost one engine rather than have been flying on one engine (unless obviously its ETOPs then losing one en gine is flying on one engine! LOL) but one engine is a bit much they would have to have diverted at the earliest oportunity for that! whether it was a 747 or an ETOPS aircraft they'd have been strugglng for pressurisation (but that would be helped by starting the APU I suppose), thrust, and pretty much everything and if it was a 747 and 3 engines had gone its obviously a generic fault ie fuel starvation etc rather than just an engine going pop so the 4th could have gone at any time theres no way it would intentionally have flown all the way across the pond like that its more likely if it was on one engine then it happened when the Irish airport was its closest divert there no way in a million years it'd fly like that it'd just be far too dangerous! admitidly if it was an ETOPS 180 or 240 aircraft it may well have had to fly for 3 or 4 hours like to its nearest divert but no way all the way over the pond!
just my informed opinion, if you read it somewhere it could be true just seems unlikely to me, maybe you rember the details wrong? or i've misunderstood what u mean? lol
[Edited on 06-03-2006 by Black Corsa SRi]
depending on location when the engine failed over the atlantic, ANY aircraft, regardless of type and number of engines will divert to nearest available airport. If its smack bam in the middle, it could turn back, head north to greenland or canada, the azores, or Ireland. it would not continue on to London for example. just as you said 
There was an event in 2001 with an Air Transat A330, it had a major fuel leak, lost both engines at 15,000 ft and glided for almost 20 minutes and made a safe landing
Regarding System Hydraulic Pressure and cabin pressure, all modern aircraft can bleed air from either engine, regardless of whether the L or R engines are inoperable. Air con packs for example are kept on the starboard engine, but if this fails, the port engine can still operate those packs through ducting. there was an issue on the original 737 100/200 prior to 1985 that the aircraft would lose the ability to maintain hydraulic pressure if the starboard engine lost power...
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Perhaps the plane was landing at liverpool/manchester and thats the reason it was going lower?
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Originally posted by Korsa-Kat
Perhaps the plane was landing at liverpool/manchester and thats the reason it was going lower?
perhaps this thread has sometihng to do with The fratelli's Maybe Chunk got to the police
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When that oil depot blew up near by recently - that made such a kaboooom I thought it was a plane that had crashed in a field near by.
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Ojc
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That was me entering your anus Paul.
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ed
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Thats exactly what I thought as I live in the flight path for Heathrow. I went back to sleep though as I thought I drempt it
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Talking of planes.....I was on my way back from Dubai to Manchester and smoke was detected in the cabin at full altitude.....stewardesses were trying to be calm but were blatently flapping! Pilot came on intercom to let us know we were making an emergency landing into Kuwait airport! He blatently already had his gas mask on, but we never got ours! Everyone was shooting themselves...women crying etc. We ended being delayed in Kuwait for 9 hours while they sent a replacement plane from Dubai!
It was pretty scary!
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Originally posted by bjackso2x
He blatently already had his gas mask on, but we never got ours!
since when have you been given gas masks on planes?
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Ben J
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by bjackso2x
He blatently already had his gas mask on, but we never got ours!
since when have you been given gas masks on planes?
Oxygen mask then...you know...the ones that drop down from above you!
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it doesnt look like too much to worry about, like someone said, if they lose an engine then it can fly ok without it but will still make an emergency landing. you think thats bad, we had 2 trent 700's come into work that had been blasted to fcuk by some sork of machine gun while attempting to tae off, surely enough, he didnt make it off the runway, but the pilot didnt get harmed, (him and a few crew were the only ones on it) them engines were a complete mess though!
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Black Corsa SRi
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quote:
Originally posted by bjackso2x
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by bjackso2x
He blatently already had his gas mask on, but we never got ours!
since when have you been given gas masks on planes?
Oxygen mask then...you know...the ones that drop down from above you!
you dont get your oxy masks unless there is a depressurisation then they drop automatically! (or a heavy landing and a badly packed one! LOL which is great if it happens downroute and they send u to sort it! as the passenger has paniced and put it on even though they're on the ground and would have no need for it thus triggering the oxy generator! LOL) they only give u about 15 mins of oxy from an oxy generator anyway so would be no use to you if there was smoke in the cabin anyway! as its unlikely you could land in 15!
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
depending on location when the engine failed over the atlantic, ANY aircraft, regardless of type and number of engines will divert to nearest available airport. If its smack bam in the middle, it could turn back, head north to greenland or canada, the azores, or Ireland. it would not continue on to London for example. just as you said
wow we've totally agreed on something for once! LOL its a first
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
There was an event in 2001 with an Air Transat A330, it had a major fuel leak, lost both engines at 15,000 ft and glided for almost 20 minutes and made a safe landing
yep that very aircraft taxi's past my line office a lot. And all that becuase the pilots misread their instruments and transferred the fuel to the leaking wing! LOL
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
Regarding System Hydraulic Pressure and cabin pressure, all modern aircraft can bleed air from either engine
true you do and everthing has tripple redundancy, hyds, elec, etc but on losing an engine you would need the help of APU etc is what i'm getting at and loosing 3 of 4 on 747 i'm very sure you'd have a lot of probs! But i dont work 747's so couldnt say for sure! but i know from experience 757's as I do work them!, would need the help of APU if they lost too much bleed etc so it very likely the same on 747 on one engine! LOL but i think it lost one engine anyway rather than only had one left!
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Originally posted by M333KS D
it doesnt look like too much to worry about, like someone said, if they lose an engine then it can fly ok without it but will still make an emergency landing. you think thats bad, we had 2 trent 700's come into work that had been blasted to fcuk by some sork of machine gun while attempting to tae off, surely enough, he didnt make it off the runway, but the pilot didnt get harmed, (him and a few crew were the only ones on it) them engines were a complete mess though!
you work at RR coventry??
if so you overhaul our engines! LOL
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this site is interesting
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/home/index.cfm
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Originally posted by M333KS D
it doesnt look like too much to worry about, like someone said, if they lose an engine then it can fly ok without it but will still make an emergency landing. you think thats bad, we had 2 trent 700's come into work that had been blasted to fcuk by some sork of machine gun while attempting to tae off, surely enough, he didnt make it off the runway, but the pilot didnt get harmed, (him and a few crew were the only ones on it) them engines were a complete mess though!
Hail damage? Hail can really fuck planes up baaaad. a few years ago, an old Tristar 500 was almost written off from hail damage. Wings were so dented on the leading edge that the slats wouldnt drop, engines suffered the worst damage though, Rolls Royce RB211's though, so they stood up well considering. Most fan blades were shot to fuck but it still managed to make it to nearest airport. windshield was completely smashed to bits, nose cone destroyed and radome too
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Originally posted by bjackso2x
Talking of planes.....I was on my way back from Dubai to Manchester and smoke was detected in the cabin at full altitude.....stewardesses were trying to be calm but were blatently flapping! Pilot came on intercom to let us know we were making an emergency landing into Kuwait airport! He blatently already had his gas mask on, but we never got ours! Everyone was shooting themselves...women crying etc. We ended being delayed in Kuwait for 9 hours while they sent a replacement plane from Dubai!
It was pretty scary!
you only get oxygen supply if you lose cabin pressure, its automated when cabin pressure drops below 800mB
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Originally posted by Black Corsa SRi
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
depending on location when the engine failed over the atlantic, ANY aircraft, regardless of type and number of engines will divert to nearest available airport. If its smack bam in the middle, it could turn back, head north to greenland or canada, the azores, or Ireland. it would not continue on to London for example. just as you said
wow we've totally agreed on something for once! LOL its a first
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
There was an event in 2001 with an Air Transat A330, it had a major fuel leak, lost both engines at 15,000 ft and glided for almost 20 minutes and made a safe landing
yep that very aircraft taxi's past my line office a lot. And all that becuase the pilots misread their instruments and transferred the fuel to the leaking wing! LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
Regarding System Hydraulic Pressure and cabin pressure, all modern aircraft can bleed air from either engine
true you do and everthing has tripple redundancy, hyds, elec, etc but on losing an engine you would need the help of APU etc is what i'm getting at and loosing 3 of 4 on 747 i'm very sure you'd have a lot of probs! But i dont work 747's so couldnt say for sure! but i know from experience 757's as I do work them!, would need the help of APU if they lost too much bleed etc so it very likely the same on 747 on one engine! LOL but i think it lost one engine anyway rather than only had one left!
A 747 could not sustain level flight with only 1 engine, especially if its an outboard engine. i believe it could sustain 96% thrust for 30 minutes before suffering from overheating failure. at that rate it would have to descend at least 2000fpm if you are at FL350 for example and anything more than 2000fpm descent is considered an emergency descent, most passengers would suffer badly from pressurisation in the ears, bleeding ear drums etc
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Originally posted by Kerry
this site is interesting
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/home/index.cfm
this is better http://www.airdisaster.com/
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Black Corsa SRi
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
depending on location when the engine failed over the atlantic, ANY aircraft, regardless of type and number of engines will divert to nearest available airport. If its smack bam in the middle, it could turn back, head north to greenland or canada, the azores, or Ireland. it would not continue on to London for example. just as you said
wow we've totally agreed on something for once! LOL its a first
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
There was an event in 2001 with an Air Transat A330, it had a major fuel leak, lost both engines at 15,000 ft and glided for almost 20 minutes and made a safe landing
yep that very aircraft taxi's past my line office a lot. And all that becuase the pilots misread their instruments and transferred the fuel to the leaking wing! LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
Regarding System Hydraulic Pressure and cabin pressure, all modern aircraft can bleed air from either engine
true you do and everthing has tripple redundancy, hyds, elec, etc but on losing an engine you would need the help of APU etc is what i'm getting at and loosing 3 of 4 on 747 i'm very sure you'd have a lot of probs! But i dont work 747's so couldnt say for sure! but i know from experience 757's as I do work them!, would need the help of APU if they lost too much bleed etc so it very likely the same on 747 on one engine! LOL but i think it lost one engine anyway rather than only had one left!
Yeah APU startup is recommended, but not for extended periods of time since they can suffer from oil starvation. they have their own supply lines and tank/sump i believe perhaps you would know.
on another note, if a 747 had only 1 engine in flight, it is more than likely that the pilot would switch off all redundant systems, ie, lights, cabin power, just to give the engine an easier time.
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by M333KS D
it doesnt look like too much to worry about, like someone said, if they lose an engine then it can fly ok without it but will still make an emergency landing. you think thats bad, we had 2 trent 700's come into work that had been blasted to fcuk by some sork of machine gun while attempting to tae off, surely enough, he didnt make it off the runway, but the pilot didnt get harmed, (him and a few crew were the only ones on it) them engines were a complete mess though!
Hail damage? Hail can really fuck planes up baaaad. a few years ago, an old Tristar 500 was almost written off from hail damage. Wings were so dented on the leading edge that the slats wouldnt drop, engines suffered the worst damage though, Rolls Royce RB211's though, so they stood up well considering. Most fan blades were shot to fuck but it still managed to make it to nearest airport. windshield was completely smashed to bits, nose cone destroyed and radome too
no it was the tamil tigers in sri lanka, proper fcuked the engines up, holes everywhere, we still had to strip them down and try to salvage what we could, with some new bits we managed to make 1 engine out of the 2.
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