John
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I'll keep that in mind Tim if I ever succeed.
Notice how nobody questions you on earning 35k from uni, albeit with a netter degree.
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Andrew
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I know what job i wanna do and it will pay around 15k. However, i would rather do something i enjoy and get paid pennies than be bored shitless and get paid twice the amount.
I only needed a HND which i got but then decided i would do a degree as later in life i would regret not doing it. Right at this minute i regret doing the degree as i have a cw due in by 6:45 tomorrow and would rather chop my cock off than do it   Done 21 pages so far, looks like i'm up all night  Ask me tomorrow and i'll say i've no regrets though 
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corsa5dr
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If anyone really doubts that employers look for degree's then flick through the career section of the times on a thursday. Plentry of jobs with salaries ranging from 30-50k asking for graduates with approx 2-5 years experience. Thats where degrees really do pay off, when you get some experience to back it up.
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Colin
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Vibrio I disagree -- I know plenty of analysts on £30k plus with a simple computer science degree.
If you want good money in IT, come work for an investment bank...
Thats in London tho yes?.......you get paid alot more working there!!
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vincefenlon
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the problem is unless u get on a graduate scheme ev every job pretty much asks for grad wiv experience but how are u supposed 2 get the experience if no is doing it??!!
fink it should be for the able, 50% of all kids just ruins the idea of higher education, i got 9 gcse's average of B, they said i could only do 3 A-levels, got 4 and 1 AS, wk before my exams i got told i was dyslexic.
the way i see it is......
rich kids get high scores, go and do great courses and get high grades and then go work FOR someone else. the person who has just done ok, got a ok degree etc etc but was good on the sports side runs his own business and employees the smart asses.
most students will go in2 a business like i do business tourism management, read books about finances, marketing, management demand and supply of such a huge market but dont get told about the effects and the impacts of 9/11 tsunamis etc. then wen they have 2 make a decision they have no knowledge cos it wasnt covered in the book they so religously(sp) read. think having a sandwich course like mine benefits medium students cos u get a job and more than likely get asked to come bac after u finish ur course, fink this is the way forward.
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Andrew
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Some unis will help you get a job at the end of your degree. They may not help you with your cw in are uni but they will help find you a job at the end 
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Blue
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You get experience by doing a sandwich degree. 2yrs in uni, 1 year work placement and final year in uni. That is the best way to do it.
I had the choice to do straight three years or a sandwich year (4 yr course). So glad I did the 4yrs now - it was extremely valuable 
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vibrio
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A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
[Edited on 14-04-2005 by x8john]
STFU who have no clue.
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vibrio
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Vibrio I disagree -- I know plenty of analysts on £30k plus with a simple computer science degree.
If you want good money in IT, come work for an investment bank...
I'm not saying you can't get it just not straight from uni with little or no experience would be a very very lucky find indeed
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vibrio
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You get experience by doing a sandwich degree. 2yrs in uni, 1 year work placement and final year in uni. That is the best way to do it.
I had the choice to do straight three years or a sandwich year (4 yr course). So glad I did the 4yrs now - it was extremely valuable
I did 3 months free and a MSc got a job quite easy does notpay well though but thats research for you. decent pension though
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John
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
A designated degree is 3 years. And from what i've heard employers would rather have a 3 year designated from glasgow than an honours from most places.
I know tehre is every possibility you could get a degree in anything and end up in McDonalds. £30k a year from the degree i'm doing is very possible. I'm doing it, i've done the research, so I don't really care what i'm being told on here.
Vibrio, there is something like a 50% drop out rate from 1st to 2nd year in computing, then more drop out before 3rd. Its in the top 3 most difficult in the uni afaik, so I have quite an advantage over the idiots sitting in technical colleges rebadged as uni's.
STFU who have no clue.
I have no clue? Everything I said there is from sources a lot more reputable than you and from my own experience so i think you should STFU until you know what your talking about.
You must have lots of computing science knowledge with you molecular biology degree there.
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Tim
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Originally posted by Tim
Vibrio I disagree -- I know plenty of analysts on £30k plus with a simple computer science degree.
If you want good money in IT, come work for an investment bank...
I'm not saying you can't get it just not straight from uni with little or no experience would be a very very lucky find indeed
I suppose I just take this whole "slag off IT degrees" slightly personally, but then again, I worked for an IT company before and during Uni, which is the way you get the 'experience' they require...
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Ally
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Degrees aren't worth much, its experience that counts.
Plus it all depends on how well you interview.
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John
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Originally posted by Ally
Degrees aren't worth much, its experience that counts.
Plus it all depends on how well you interview.
Why is it always people who don't go to uni and have crap jobs that say this?
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TNM
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by Ally
Degrees aren't worth much, its experience that counts.
Plus it all depends on how well you interview.
Why is it always people who don't go to uni and have crap jobs that say this?
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Thoday
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Fook me i started a right discussion here
im on £15k and its shite, next job up is £21k and im almost there..
been offered a supervisory role for a internet retail company paying the same though 
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Ben
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all lads at my place pull over 40k
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Colin
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all lads at my place pull over 40k
Ive never wanked over money before....it just wouldnt seem right
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vibrio
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Originally posted by Tim
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Originally posted by vibrio
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Originally posted by Tim
Vibrio I disagree -- I know plenty of analysts on £30k plus with a simple computer science degree.
If you want good money in IT, come work for an investment bank...
I'm not saying you can't get it just not straight from uni with little or no experience would be a very very lucky find indeed
I suppose I just take this whole "slag off IT degrees" slightly personally, but then again, I worked for an IT company before and during Uni, which is the way you get the 'experience' they require...
not slagging IT Tim I just think it's a bit unrealistic to expect 30K as soon as you leave uni
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vibrio
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Originally posted by x8john
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Originally posted by Ally
Degrees aren't worth much, its experience that counts.
Plus it all depends on how well you interview.
Why is it always people who don't go to uni and have crap jobs that say this?
why is it that undergrads think they are going to make money just vecause they have been at uni.
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TNM
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not slagging IT Tim I just think it's a bit unrealistic to expect 30K as soon as you leave uni
Its true tho. John has changed his mind twice. He started talking about walking into a job @ 30k now hes talking in 3-4 years
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stuartmitchell
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I fucking hate uni with a passion, should have left school at 16 and become a joiner or something usefull 
got offered a managers job with Tesco when I finish next year though
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Phil321
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To sum up, a 2.1 degree in any subject from a top 10 Uni with a bit of work experience (penultimate yr internship), proof that you are an active person (extracirricular stuff) and the all important 26UCAS points will gaurantee you a better job than anyone with no degree (big 4 accounting/investment banking/management consulting).
Shit degree is worth shit all.
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Colin
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I fucking hate uni with a passion, should have left school at 16 and become a joiner or something usefull
Nail on the head.......no pun intended
But deffo if I had my time round again I would do my std grades, leave school at 16 to become a tradesman.....some of the good ones I know earn 700 to 800 quid a week and thats before overtime & work on the side!!! I do site management and dont get nearly that amount!!
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stuartmitchell
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I fucking hate uni with a passion, should have left school at 16 and become a joiner or something usefull
Nail on the head.......no pun intended
But deffo if I had my time round again I would do my std grades, leave school at 16 to become a tradesman.....some of the good ones I know earn 700 to 800 quid a week and thats before overtime & work on the side!!! I do site management and dont get nearly that amount!!
exactly, my mates still an apprentice all be it in his last year and goes all over the country laying floors for Topshop, Burtons, Dorothy Perkins etc etc, 10 days work and he got £1000
I could lay a floor for £100 a day
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