Jambo
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Location: Maidenhead, Drives: VXR Arctic
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Mk4 better than a mk5  heard it all now
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VegasPhil
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Registered: 16th Jan 05
Location: Fareham, Hants Drives: Octavia VRS
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Mk4 golf is so fucking dated it's untrue.
Mk5 is a brilliant car. Loved both of mine.
Corsa 2.0 16v Vegas - Sold
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Mark.W
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Registered: 3rd Jan 07
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I agree with VegasPhil,the mk4 golf does look very dated now.
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Tom
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I really want a Mk5 Golf GTI but I don't have the cash for something like this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2599151.htm
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flybikeslee
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Originally posted by antnee
Hmm, Mk2 Octavia VRs's are getting down to under 7k now
cool big barges
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
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mk4 golf does look dated compared to mk5.
but in terms of reliability and driveability, just check owners reviews and ask some mechanic friends if you have any.
the 2.0 tdi engine has many faults
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antnee
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Registered: 30th Dec 07
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I've heard of shed loads more faults on the Mk4. Mk5 is a lot better built!
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big eck
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Location: Tullibody. Drives - Audi B8 S4 & Fiesta Zetec-S
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quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
mk4 golf does look dated compared to mk5.
but in terms of reliability and driveability, just check owners reviews and ask some mechanic friends if you have any.
the 2.0 tdi engine has many faults
I am a member on a load of VW forums now and your the first person that i've noticed to say the MK4 is better than the MK5. A good mate of mine has been a VW techy for over 9 years now and when I said to him that I was buying a golf he told me to avoid the MK4 like the plague. the MK5 is better looking, better handling and quicker than its older brother.
Are you just going on which went wrong with one make of engine???
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adiohead
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mk4 golfs are shit. I should know
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s4k1b
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quote:
Originally posted by big eck
quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
mk4 golf does look dated compared to mk5.
but in terms of reliability and driveability, just check owners reviews and ask some mechanic friends if you have any.
the 2.0 tdi engine has many faults
I am a member on a load of VW forums now and your the first person that i've noticed to say the MK4 is better than the MK5. A good mate of mine has been a VW techy for over 9 years now and when I said to him that I was buying a golf he told me to avoid the MK4 like the plague. the MK5 is better looking, better handling and quicker than its older brother.
Are you just going on which went wrong with one make of engine???
lol ive had 3 2.0 tdis which went wrong on me.
i have a friend who has an audi a3 2.0 tdi which has gone wrong on him 3 times in the year he has had it.
everyone i seem to talk to about the 2.0 tdi engine talks about their disappointment.
yet ive never had any problems with the 1.9 and neither do any of my friends, and i cant even count how many people that share the same opinion as me !
maybe because i never buy NEW, and have alays bought 2nd hand, 80k + miles. the 2.0 tdis have gone wrong after this amount of usage. the 1.9's have not.
if youve been talking to people who have bought new/low mileage ones only then this is probably why there has been no mention of faults?
they certainly dont build them like they used to. . . . . in my opinon.
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s4k1b
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Originally posted by adiohead
mk4 golfs are shit. I should know
why you say this - have you had one? what happened?
and btw your car has an MK4 golf 1.8t engine in it. shared with its brothers and sisters,audis and skodas.
an engine that is no longer used in MK5 golfs. :-)
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big eck
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So what your saying is that its the engine thats at fault in those cars, VW & Audi not the MK5 golf itself???
You said the MK4 is a better car, in what way???
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A2H GO
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Registered: 14th Sep 04
Location: Stoke
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Im still looking too. Have about 10K to spend.
Sensible list
Audi A3 2.0 - Nice but too old for 10K looking at 2005/06.
Golf Mark 5 GT 20 Tdi - Can get slightly newer than the Audi but look dull IMO.
Astra 1.9 CDTi - Had one, gearbox went, not sure about another.
Seat Leon 170 Tdi with BTTC Kit - Can get newish with low mileage but 5 doors puts me off  and interior is horrendous.
Not so sensible List
Astra VXR - Like the power, can get a good low mileage example but starting to look dated and will have to keep it 3 years.
Clio 197 - Again can get a very low mileage, clean example F1, wont cost the earth to run, but not very tuneable.
Corsa VXR - Tuneable (bar piston 4), can get a good example but Chav image.
Mini Cooper S (new shape) - Tuneable, hold value well but already had 3 older shapes and mrs has a new shape (plus it is a birds car).
I want something that looks slick but not chav, and is fast but cheap to run.
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s4k1b
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quote:
Originally posted by big eck
So what your saying is that its the engine thats at fault in those cars, VW & Audi not the MK5 golf itself???
You said the MK4 is a better car, in what way???
if you cant make a judgement on the car based on what the engine is like... then what do u base it on? shape of the headlights? wtf 
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antnee
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Registered: 30th Dec 07
Location: Cov Drives: Clio 197
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What problems did you actually have?
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
Location: West Yorkshire
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quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Im still looking too. Have about 10K to spend.
Sensible list
Audi A3 2.0 - Nice but too old for 10K looking at 2005/06.
Golf Mark 5 GT 20 Tdi - Can get slightly newer than the Audi but look dull IMO.
Astra 1.9 CDTi - Had one, gearbox went, not sure about another.
Seat Leon 170 Tdi with BTTC Kit - Can get newish with low mileage but 5 doors puts me off and interior is horrendous.
Not so sensible List
Astra VXR - Like the power, can get a good low mileage example but starting to look dated and will have to keep it 3 years.
Clio 197 - Again can get a very low mileage, clean example F1, wont cost the earth to run, but not very tuneable.
Corsa VXR - Tuneable (bar piston 4), can get a good example but Chav image.
Mini Cooper S (new shape) - Tuneable, hold value well but already had 3 older shapes and mrs has a new shape (plus it is a birds car).
I want something that looks slick but not chav, and is fast but cheap to run.
if you were to get an mk5 golf, get the GT SPORT not the GT TDI version.
they look mucho better.
although its difficult to find a GT SPORT with climate control. they have old style heater knobs for some reason
and the GT TDI has climate control standard.
ive never understood this.
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A2H GO
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Registered: 14th Sep 04
Location: Stoke
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If this was newer and lower mileage it fits the 'looks good and cheap to run criteria'
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2005-AUDI-A3-S3-REPLICA-WHITE-/260761557722?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3cb6999ada
Same goes for this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-AUDI-A4-T-SPORT-BLUE-CABRIOLET-RS4-REPLICA-/180649615974?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a0f8e6266
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A2H GO
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Registered: 14th Sep 04
Location: Stoke
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quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Im still looking too. Have about 10K to spend.
Sensible list
Audi A3 2.0 - Nice but too old for 10K looking at 2005/06.
Golf Mark 5 GT 20 Tdi - Can get slightly newer than the Audi but look dull IMO.
Astra 1.9 CDTi - Had one, gearbox went, not sure about another.
Seat Leon 170 Tdi with BTTC Kit - Can get newish with low mileage but 5 doors puts me off and interior is horrendous.
Not so sensible List
Astra VXR - Like the power, can get a good low mileage example but starting to look dated and will have to keep it 3 years.
Clio 197 - Again can get a very low mileage, clean example F1, wont cost the earth to run, but not very tuneable.
Corsa VXR - Tuneable (bar piston 4), can get a good example but Chav image.
Mini Cooper S (new shape) - Tuneable, hold value well but already had 3 older shapes and mrs has a new shape (plus it is a birds car).
I want something that looks slick but not chav, and is fast but cheap to run.
if you were to get an mk5 golf, get the GT SPORT not the GT TDI version.
they look mucho better.
although its difficult to find a GT SPORT with climate control. they have old style heater knobs for some reason
and the GT TDI has climate control standard.
ive never understood this.
I've looked at the GT Sports, they do look better but still not 'good', id still want to put GTi bumpers and skirts on one.
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
Location: West Yorkshire
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quote:
Originally posted by antnee
What problems did you actually have?
swirl flap actuator, turbo problem, Dual mass flywheel, air flow meters (this is common in both mk4 and mk5), head gasket, oil cooler, gearbox, and in one of them the crankshaft went at 120k :-|
and no, i dont drive like a tit.
the only problems ive had with the mk4 golf was the air flow meter as mentioned, a broken glovebox lid, a broken armrest clip. a broken cup holder, and thats pretty much it.
the mk5 interior is much more solidly built, but the engine in general, performance and economy lets it down.
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
Location: West Yorkshire
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quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Im still looking too. Have about 10K to spend.
Sensible list
Audi A3 2.0 - Nice but too old for 10K looking at 2005/06.
Golf Mark 5 GT 20 Tdi - Can get slightly newer than the Audi but look dull IMO.
Astra 1.9 CDTi - Had one, gearbox went, not sure about another.
Seat Leon 170 Tdi with BTTC Kit - Can get newish with low mileage but 5 doors puts me off and interior is horrendous.
Not so sensible List
Astra VXR - Like the power, can get a good low mileage example but starting to look dated and will have to keep it 3 years.
Clio 197 - Again can get a very low mileage, clean example F1, wont cost the earth to run, but not very tuneable.
Corsa VXR - Tuneable (bar piston 4), can get a good example but Chav image.
Mini Cooper S (new shape) - Tuneable, hold value well but already had 3 older shapes and mrs has a new shape (plus it is a birds car).
I want something that looks slick but not chav, and is fast but cheap to run.
if you were to get an mk5 golf, get the GT SPORT not the GT TDI version.
they look mucho better.
although its difficult to find a GT SPORT with climate control. they have old style heater knobs for some reason
and the GT TDI has climate control standard.
ive never understood this.
I've looked at the GT Sports, they do look better but still not 'good', id still want to put GTi bumpers and skirts on one.
just get a gt tdi instead then, slightly cheaper. ive seen loads 'done up' like a gti, but the fact its been messed around with, kind of puts me off.
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adiohead
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quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
quote:
Originally posted by adiohead
mk4 golfs are shit. I should know
why you say this - have you had one? what happened?
and btw your car has an MK4 golf 1.8t engine in it. shared with its brothers and sisters,audis and skodas.
an engine that is no longer used in MK5 golfs. :-)
I should know because my car is basically a mk4 
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big eck
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quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
quote:
Originally posted by big eck
So what your saying is that its the engine thats at fault in those cars, VW & Audi not the MK5 golf itself???
You said the MK4 is a better car, in what way???
if you cant make a judgement on the car based on what the engine is like... then what do u base it on? shape of the headlights? wtf
Build quality, handling, performance, looks 
The astra VXR for example is a great car but the only downfall I had hwne owning one was the shite gearboxes, I wouldn't say the MK4 GSI was a better car tho just because the gearbox is better ffs
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
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it is built on the chassis of an audi a3 ;-)
and im sorry, but the interior and built quality of the leon is NOWHERE near as good as the golf lol
seat really did skimp out on the leons interior.
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A2H GO
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Location: Stoke
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quote:
Originally posted by s4k1b
quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
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Originally posted by s4k1b
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Originally posted by A2H GO
just get a gt tdi instead then, slightly cheaper. ive seen loads 'done up' like a gti, but the fact its been messed around with, kind of puts me off.
My mate has a GT TDi in black with full GTi kit and the Edition 30 BBS wheels, he bought it from a trader that buys them standard, fits the bits then sells them for more. He paid £11k for a 56 plate with 70k miles about 12 months ago. It is a great car, pulls like a train and gets great mpg but its not 'in your face' enough for me, unless its white and i'm yet to see one in white, at least for 10K.
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s4k1b
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Registered: 11th Nov 02
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Build quality, handling, performance, looks
if we can compare the mk4 golf anniversary tdi to the mk5 golf gt sport the only thing the mk5 has over the mk4 is the build quality of the interior. possibly looks, but this is debateable, and opinionated.
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