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Ben G

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23rd Sep 09 at 14:16

Whitter - ford got 300bhp out of the 2.5t quite easily. Christ, just a remap on a focus st gets 270bhp. They just didnt want to put too much power in it as it just wouldnt be useable without a diff and it would make the rs look a bit pants only having 30bhp more.

ajscorsa

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23rd Sep 09 at 14:16

I think its damn sexy. anyone know how much their gonna be selling for?

Daimo B

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23rd Sep 09 at 14:21

I hear rumours are around starting price of about £20k going up to £26k odd for the super track day special jobbies.

But these are just reoprts and should not be taken as true facts.

XSIHardy

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23rd Sep 09 at 14:29

Actually love that

Ojc

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23rd Sep 09 at 14:31

They are making a model with the LSD and one without, why anyone would spec it without an LSD is beyond me.

mattfiesta

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:01

It looks nothing like an astra vxr apart from the tailpipe, you lot need to get your eyes tested.

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:01

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45
250 bhp / 187 KW @ 5500 rpm
Torque 340 Nm / 251 ft lbs @ 3000 rpm
BHP/Liter 125 bhp / liter

Not too shy

What other 2.0 T cars pack over 250BHP as standard apart from the S3

VW Sirroco R - 270bhp
Seat Leon R - 268bhp
Forcus RS (all be it 2.5) - 300bhp
VXR/S/R 270bhp / 300bhp
Mazda MP3 250bhp (but a few years old in design now, updated one will have more)..

Not many then

Mazda is 2.3

So you are talking about 2 engines - the Vauxhall and the VW engine?

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:02

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
I hear rumours are around starting price of about £20k going up to £26k odd for the super track day special jobbies.

But these are just reoprts and should not be taken as true facts.

anything you post is just reports and not true facts

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:04

quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
Whitter - ford got 300bhp out of the 2.5t quite easily. Christ, just a remap on a focus st gets 270bhp. They just didnt want to put too much power in it as it just wouldnt be useable without a diff and it would make the rs look a bit pants only having 30bhp more.

Ben

I was saying the Ford is a bad engine quite the opposite - VXR highlighted that 250 is relatively low when in reality it isnt

The 2.5 is acracking engine is 225 form

And i am sure Renault could get more horses out the 2.0t if required just like VW do

Daimo B

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:15

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

But these are just reoprts and should not be taken as true facts.

anything you post is just reports and not true facts

I see what your writing, but all im reading is

"blah blah blah blah blah"

3, although the Seat is a VAG engine, and "at the moment"

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by VXR]

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:18

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

But these are just reoprts and should not be taken as true facts.

anything you post is just reports and not true facts

I see what your writing, but all im reading is

"blah blah blah blah blah"

3, although the Seat is a VAG engine, and "at the moment"

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by VXR]

so not really that lame is it

Also what Torque do they produce

As the 251lbs/f is not bad really

andy1868

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:27

look at mitsubishi, they have 2 litre turbos at 360bhp and 360ish lbs/ft. (i'm aware of the FQ400 but don't know the stats on them) must be do-able for all the manufacturers, its just whether they want to build the all-out cars or whether they actually want to sell them in decent numbers. there must be other reasons behind it too

Daimo B

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:30

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

so not really that lame is it

Also what Torque do they produce

As the 251lbs/f is not bad really

I never mentioned torque, or power delivery. I just said 250bhp (as in peak).

You have taken it upon yourself to delve in and get all rowdy far more than you needed to.

Please see the comment re Mitso, and scooby engines also. 276bhp+ a good 8 odd years ago. Europe is playing catchup. Also not seen any Vaux/Ford/Renault 2.0 t 4 pot making 700+ bhp many times as well (ignoring putting the power down). Even Andy N ran about 500 in his MG...

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:38

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

quote:
Originally posted by whitter45

so not really that lame is it

Also what Torque do they produce

As the 251lbs/f is not bad really

I never mentioned torque, or power delivery. I just said 250bhp (as in peak).

You have taken it upon yourself to delve in and get all rowdy far more than you needed to.

Please see the comment re Mitso, and scooby engines also. 276bhp+ a good 8 odd years ago. Europe is playing catchup. Also not seen any Vaux/Ford/Renault 2.0 t 4 pot making 700+ bhp many times as well (ignoring putting the power down). Even Andy N ran about 500 in his MG...

You made a comemnt that stated power was lame when in fact is around the normal for 2.0 T European cars. and no one mentioned modified engines

Just changing the goal posts

So get over it

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by whitter45]

Daimo B

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:38

Compatitive to other marques. Qoute the bit, and miss the important....

any more??

Usually VW are the ones to run lower power engines in favour of driveabiliity.

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by VXR]

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:39

quote:
Originally posted by andy1868
look at mitsubishi, they have 2 litre turbos at 360bhp and 360ish lbs/ft. (i'm aware of the FQ400 but don't know the stats on them) must be do-able for all the manufacturers, its just whether they want to build the all-out cars or whether they actually want to sell them in decent numbers. there must be other reasons behind it too

Completely agree - alot will be to do with cost as high power requires better internals

also emissions service intervals etc all come into it I owuld imagine

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:40

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
any more??

depends on what else you care to post

I am merely questioning the posts you make

so I ask you anymore??

Daimo B

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:41

Hey homie, your the whinging about my comment, not me....

Fire away.?

whitter45

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23rd Sep 09 at 15:41

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Compatitive to other marques. Qoute the bit, and miss the important....

any more??

Usually VW are the ones to run lower power engines in favour of driveabiliity.

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by VXR]

but it isn't

Its above the ST, GTI, Cupras and not far behiond the specialist ones of the VW r's etc

corsa-sxi

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:25

how much is it

SVM 286

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:38

Nasty. In spite of the wholesale robbing of Vauxhall exhaust exit ideas.

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:42

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

Also not seen any Vaux/Ford/Renault 2.0 t 4 pot making 700+ bhp many times as well (ignoring putting the power down). Even Andy N ran about 500 in his MG...

Apart from the Cosworth YB, which was doing it before them

and sweedish tuners with the vovlo 4pot

and audi and volvo tuners have dont if for years with an inline 5

[Edited on 23-09-2009 by jr]

Nick-S

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:43

i quite like it

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:44

oh that renault looks terrible

SVM 286

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23rd Sep 09 at 16:44

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