Paul_J
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Ian what do I have to quote?
'Sales of goods act'?
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Ian
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Depends how you define blame. You can't physically be blamed for causing paint to flake unless you've done something to cause them to flake. If there's no evidence of impact damage then they may ask how you have cleaned them or whether they have operated outside tolerance.
Conversely, a poor preparation certainly would result in flaking. That's not a difficult assertion to prove.
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Paul_J
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So as long as it looks good at first, it's perfectly fine... 
Thats normally the case, but with you it's obviously different.
So you're saying, the 'normal case is'... 'If something looks good at a first, but turns out to be shit after 2 weeks, it's perfectly acceptable'
What sort of world do you live in?
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Luke
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Luke
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Originally posted by Paul_J
So as long as it looks good at first, it's perfectly fine...
Thats normally the case, but with you it's obviously different.
So you're saying, the 'normal case is'... 'If someone looks good at a first, but turns out to be shit after 2 weeks, it's perfectly acceptable'
What sort of world do you live in?
A normal one thank you very much. Don't bring that into anything!
What i'm saying is, in normal case terms is. If i bought a set of wheels from lets say wheelbase, i know the wheels i would have bought would be fine. Thats what i'm trying to say.
No need to be a prick & ask me what kind of world i live in.
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Ian
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Not even sure if you need to know your legal position straight away. You have a right that the goods are fit for purpose but the problem talking about that is you'll need to differentiate the fact that the wheels hold the car off the floor from the fact that you want them to look nice.
I would firstly go in and explain that your expectation was that the wheels which appeared to be in good condition would have been prepared to such a standard that the condition was maintained after time and usage, and that their current condition does not meet with that expectation.
Don't forget - although this is not your point to make - it won't really cost them much for the sprayer to spend some more time on them. Bit of labour won't cost anything if the guy works late to cover his poor workmanship.
I wouldn't say any of that btw. That is just so you can be sure of how far you are pushing the company to rectify and therefore how likely they are to do so.
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Ian
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What i'm saying is, in normal case terms is. If i bought a set of wheels from lets say wheelbase, i know the wheels i would have bought would be fine. Thats what i'm trying to say.
And this sale is in a similar position. They're photographed looking good and refurbished from a main dealer. I wouldn't expect them to flake in a few months. I would consider that less than satisfactory.
If they were a private sale and tatty then you would have significantly less legal recourse. This is a trader selling shiny things, albeit second hand, but you still are not left without comeback in situations like this.
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Ian
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Looked over your original post again - don't go in there talking about their condition in a month. That isn't within your power to judge.
[Edited on 10-05-2009 by Ian]
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Luke
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Luke
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Originally posted by Paul_J
So as long as it looks good at first, it's perfectly fine...
Thats normally the case, but with you it's obviously different.
So you're saying, the 'normal case is'... 'If someone looks good at a first, but turns out to be shit after 2 weeks, it's perfectly acceptable'
What sort of world do you live in?
A normal one thank you very much. Don't bring that into anything!
What i'm saying is, in normal case terms is. If i bought a set of wheels from lets say wheelbase, i know the wheels i would have bought would be fine. Thats what i'm trying to say.
No need to be a prick & ask me what kind of world i live in.
Yeah, but what if those wheels you've just bought from wheelbase start flaking paint off 2 weeks later? Is that fine... ?
- Of course it isn't.
This is my point about your earlier comments - hence what world you lived in.
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Paul_J
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Looked over your original post again - don't go in there talking about their condition in a month. That isn't within your power to judge.
[Edited on 10-05-2009 by Ian]
Sorry, it hasn't been a month  I forgot when i bought them.
Ebay advert ended on 20-Apr-09. So given I didn't pick them up immediately, probably picked them up 22nd or so... had tyres fitted 23rd and was at combe 25th 
so it's been literally about 2 weeks.
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Ian
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give it a month or two and there'll be whole lumps of paint missing.
I was talking about you predicting the future. Don't try.
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Luke
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Paul, i'm not saying it's fine am i?
I know for a fact if i bought wheels from a company paint wouldn't start flaking off within 2 weeks, if they were re-furbed items then it could be possible. But yours obviously havn't been done propperly.
[Edited on 10-05-2009 by Luke]
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Paul_J
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Fair play - to the above 2 comments.
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Paul_J
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I'll get some pics tommorrow. off to bed. Thanks for info people.
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MatthewR
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everyone stop being so queer
paul, thats the chance you take buying refurbed alloys from ebay (regardless of seller) get them/the socalled alloy refurbed. End of
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Ian
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if i bought wheels from a company paint wouldn't start flaking off within 2 weeks, if they were re-furbed items then it could be possible.
Any wheel could flake. If the paint is applied poorly then it's as likely to flake on a new wheel as a refurb one. It's just paint and metal, aside from the obvious prep issues of having used the wheel on the road before.
The difference here is that the wheel is finished by an OE for use by a vehicle manufacturer. Or as an aftermarket product in which the reputation of the brand is at stake. Not by some minimum wage YT who has been forced to rush to keep his employer profitable. The quality standards clearly differ between the two, hence the problem with doing the job in a bodyshop to a deadline as opposed to in a factory as part of a regulated production process.
All that aside, as I said, I'm sure the people in charge would be dissapointed to learn that someone was unhappy, particularly as the price to rectify isn't all that great.
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Ian
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thats the chance you take buying refurbed alloys from ebay (regardless of seller) get them/the socalled alloy refurbed. End of
Just because refurb isn't as good as new and they're off Ebay doesn't mean they should be shit.
They're not OE and I would expect perfection every single time but I also wouldn't say oh well Ebay is full of dodgy chancers and I've fallen for it. The standard should be higher.
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Luke
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Well ian i've never known anyone to have bought wheels from a company like wheelbase & then the paint flaking. Just my input of course.
[Edited on 10-05-2009 by Luke]
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MatthewR
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thats the chance you take buying refurbed alloys from ebay (regardless of seller) get them/the socalled alloy refurbed. End of
Just because refurb isn't as good as new and they're off Ebay doesn't mean they should be shit.
They're not OE and I would expect perfection every single time but I also wouldn't say oh well Ebay is full of dodgy chancers and I've fallen for it. The standard should be higher.
never once said they were shit - i just think its bad luck - get on with it
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Ian
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Luck?
This isn't luck, this is workmanship and expection.
Luck has bugger all to do with it.
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MatthewR
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Ok i shutup shall i 
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MatthewR
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whats expection?
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Ian
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Buying something thinking it'll do what you want it to.
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MatthewR
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expectation?
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John
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Even though Honda would have almost certainly sent them to the local cheap place i'd expect them to be a decent standard and not flake that quickly, if at all.
I don't believe somebody can say that it can't happen to a brand new wheel and that it happening to a refurbed one is ok.
That's like saying that if your let blew up 2 weeks after a full rebuild and gentle driving that's ok because the engine wasn't the way it had left the factory
People get to worked up on here before discussing with the seller though.
Note grievance to seller, seller can either respond in a good way and sort it or they don't then come on here asking for advice.
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Ian
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Sorry didn't realise you were taking the piss. Yes, expectation. Sorry, computer doesn't have a spell check so I didn't spot it.
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