Daimo B
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You don't need big power to enjoy a trackday.
You can have just as much fun in a 1.2. You aim more at momentum instead of brake hard, loose all speed..........
Mi16 205 GTi, a nice one for £1k???
More chance with the MR2 i'd think??
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AK
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i dont think you get enough speed to get round the corner in a 1.2 
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Daimo B
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Takes a few laps to get to racing speed instead of a few corners 
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Butler
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Mi16 205 GTi, a nice one for £1k???
More chance with the MR2 i'd think??
Exactly. Someone find me an MI16 for 1k???
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stan_the_man
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Nova?
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corsa_rob
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if not an mr2 defo stick with the pug 16v options...can get decent enuff saxo vts' for £1000...if its only going on track like?? saxo's are still working out alot cheaper than the 106 gti's...strip it and more than enuff power for sum track stints??
OR
renault 5 prima campus?? maybe summat volvo? or get a volvo engine and pop it in the 5 shell...heard this is good fun...if not dont think u cud get a better track car than a 205 1.6 gti for that cash
[Edited on 06-05-2009 by corsa_rob]
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
You don't need big power to enjoy a trackday.
You can have just as much fun in a 1.2. You aim more at momentum instead of brake hard, loose all speed..........
Mi16 205 GTi, a nice one for £1k???
More chance with the MR2 i'd think??
You are talking to butler like he's never done a track day before. He's probably done more than you in his previous cars, yet you're suggesting 'You can still have fun in 1 .2'...
1.2 is fine if it's first time on track, but it's utterly useless for actual track days as the strict rules prohibit overtaking in bends, or before them... Therefore with the large number of cars on track, you just get stuck behind people going slowly through corners, then are unable to overtake on the next straight and get stuck behind the same guy going slowly in the next bend.
1.2 = Yes you can have fun / learn lines / learn to carry speed / brake late etc.
However, once you've done a few track days, you're wasting your time in a 1.2 on track in my opinion. Butler does not need / want a 1.2.
USE THE CLIO - It'll be quicker than the mr2.
/Thread Closed.
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Paul_J
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buy mattb's 106 gti for £700.
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Butler
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The clio was probably quicker than my rallye but still not as fun.
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willay
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use the clio, whats the point of having a nice track capable car and then getting smokey jap shitter to drive round the tracks. If you're so worried about getting pranged then get insurance for the track that covers any damage you get.
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Paul_J
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exactly! Willay speaks sense!
I think you over estimate how much fun driving an old mr2 with not much power will be like?
IF you come to the guildford meet tonight, I'll take you out in the s2k and show how boring it is, despite being RWD.
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Butler
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Forgot that was tonight, im not going to be about. That is an idea willay, but a dedicated car I can happily strip out and thrash about being fully commited, and potential race it.
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Paul_J
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Aids.
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willay
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get some cat d write off thats been put back on the road for cheap and go that route 
[Edited on 06-05-2009 by willay]
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Paul_J
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I know you're talking about the astra... but that's actually really good advice.
Think of the amazingly good cars you see on pistonheads dirt cheap, then followed by 'cat d fully repaired'... you'd not want it for a road car, but for a car for track use / abuse / which may get written off anyway it is perfect
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willay
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yeah, I remember fad telling me about some cheap french tin which was semi decent but it was a cat d which puts alot of people off. As long as you are aware of what caused it to be a cat d and the repair looks good you havent got much to fear apart from fear itself.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Paul_J
blah blah
/Thread Closed.
You read far too into things.
Step back
Breath in through the nose, out through the mouth.....
I know he does track days, its a simple statement.... 1.2 does have its flaws, but nowt better than sticking on a NA 2.0 16v's ass because the person cannot drive.
Look ahead, plan the track ahead and cars coming behined.
But yes your right.
But its also wrong. Thats like saying a 125cc is no good in terms of bikes. But they are very good if not ridden like a big bike.
Same goes with the car. Obviously taking a 1.2 to Castle Coombe wouldn'tbe effective.
Take it to a tighter track though 
[Edited on 06-05-2009 by VXR]
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willay
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some great advice their daimo, you should take some of your own advice
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Butler
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Lol, im not getting a 1.2, wouldnt mind a cat d as long as its structurally sound.
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Adam_B
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Originally posted by VXR
but nowt better than sticking on a NA 2.0 16v's ass because the person cannot drive.
your strange
I couldnt think of anything worse than people holding me up, I dont care what they are driving, its always mega anoying!
[Edited on 06-05-2009 by Adam_B]
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Daimo B
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some great advice their daimo, you should take some of your own advice
I was explaining the finer points of why a 1.2 16v can be fun. Jessshhh
Adam, you have mis read, I meant sticking behined one, loosing it on the straights, and catching it up through corner speed and momentum. The thrill of the chase.
I prefer to chase, than be chased.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Adam_B
I couldnt think of anything worse than people holding me up, I dont care what they are driving, its always mega anoying!
Drive faster then and get around them.
Or being as its a track day, slow down, let them pull away, then continue.
Always something say gets someones back up on here
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Adam_B
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Its not getting my back up at all Just sometimes its like you deliberatly post stupid stuff cos your bored
Its not up to me to change how im driving  If they are holding me up they need to get out of the way, but with a 1.2 it would be a pointless exercise because they would be massivly faster in a straight line. 1.2 would just be useless on track, its nothing like having a 125cc bike.
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Butler
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Basically, a 125bhp rwd mr2 or a 50bhp fwd corsa.... Im thinking about this logically.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Adam_B
Its not getting my back up at all Just sometimes its like you deliberatly post stupid stuff cos your bored
Its not up to me to change how im driving If they are holding me up they need to get out of the way, but with a 1.2 it would be a pointless exercise because they would be massivly faster in a straight line. 1.2 would just be useless on track, its nothing like having a 125cc bike.
And that probably why you don't understand what I write, because you dont get what im saying...
1.2 car is EXACTLY like a 125cc bike.
1.2 car is small engined, slow, needs momentum to carry speed out of the bends. You work on not touching the brakes so much but maintaining speed to make up for the lack of power.
Same with a 125cc bike. Massivly slower than say a 600cc, or 1000cc sports bike, but where as you brake 200m down the road on the faster bike/car, you don't with the little engined bike/car.
Im not arguing, its simple fact. If it wasn't, then there wouldn't be so many popular CAR racing, and BIKE racing series with tiny engines.
Whether you cannot hack going down the straights fast is here nor there. Its the fun doing it, the fun in maintaining that speed.
I'd have thought YOU would have understood. Maybe not.
If you still don't understand, tough, im not getting into a debate today. Things to do. Whinge/flame me all you want.
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