Jambo
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AM i the only one thinking buying a new Kia with £2k off is a bit of a false economy??
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Neo
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Originally posted by corsa_tomtom
You do know he won't be able to do the car scrapping scheme if you get something old?
Yeah i know, just you can pick up a 350z for 8k...about the same as what he wants to spend on a car 
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
However, if your dads not working - how can he justify scrapping a perfectly good low mileage car he owes nothing on to buy an expensive brand new car thats going to loose thousands of pounds in depreciation? Its wasteful scrapping to very low mileage cars like that.
Dad still works, doesnt earn massive but enough to keep everyone in pocket. Just wants something nice for his final car. The Kia's won't loose much in depreciation as they are so cheap to begin with.
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Originally posted by Pow
If people like your parents go ahead and do this, they are ruining the second hand market.
How so ? They are taking advantage of a scheme which will save them 4k...when the 2 cars together are barely worth a grand. Then they will have more reliable cars which include warantee etc and can be used till they decide they no longer want to drive. Whereas the corsa has problems and the nissan needs some tlc and a service which he really can't be faffed with on it.
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Neo
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Originally posted by Jambo
AM i the only one thinking buying a new Kia with £2k off is a bit of a false economy??
Why so 
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richc
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What about the ceed is it? They look quiet smart. 3 door thing?
They only problem with these koreon things is the interior. SO cheap. Make a ford fiesta look good
[Edited on 28-04-2009 by richc]
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Jambo
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Originally posted by Neo
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Originally posted by Jambo
AM i the only one thinking buying a new Kia with £2k off is a bit of a false economy??
Why so
You may be "saving" £2k, but its a Kia, which means shortly after its 1month birthday it will be worth precisely 0.0000001p. The depreciation will more than compensate for the "saving" of £2k.
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Neo
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Well its 5k after the scheme...keep it for 10 years and if its worth pittence then no real problems as it will only have done about 20k and can be given to a family friend who has a kid or something.
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DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by NeoHow so ? They are taking advantage of a scheme which will save them 4k...when the 2 cars together are barely worth a grand. Then they will have more reliable cars which include warantee etc and can be used till they decide they no longer want to drive. Whereas the corsa has problems and the nissan needs some tlc and a service which he really can't be faffed with on it.
He does know that new cars need to be serviced too right? And who is to say a crappy kia will be more reliable than a nissan or a 1.0 corsa when both are horrendously low mileage. Your dad would be better of keeping their current cars, or selling and buying some 3 year old cars to replace them that have done most of their depreciation. Kias drop in value like a church off a cliff, perhaps the initial cost isnt massive - but in 5-7 years time the cars will be worth under a grand anyway.
This will ruin the second hand market too - as it will drive down prices of nearly new cars by £2000 straight away, and then flood the market with an abundance of nearly new cars when those who got them on finance cant afford to pay for them anymore.
Its a terrible scheme and a mockery of the british motorists to call this 'green.'
To be honest labour and conservatives are just left and right of each other but their general direction is the same. a more revolutionary party needs to be voted in but none of them have it in them to be the saviour of britain.
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Neo
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Fully aware about servicing, just so much is needed to be done to the nissan it just doesnt seem worth spending a couple of grand on it to make it spank again when if he spends a small amount more he can just get something new.
Yeah it will ruin the market i agree, i have a 58 plate and i'm sure this will have brought the resale value down massively.
I understand why they call it a "green" scheme, as new cars are more efficient on the whole as well as producing less harmful gases.
So who will you be voting for then Dizzy ?
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Ren
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IMO for 500 miles a year, I'd just buy the biggest size engine I could afford.
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richc
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Originally posted by Neo
I understand why they call it a "green" scheme, as new cars are more efficient on the whole as well as producing less harmful gases.
What about the fuels burnt to make the thing. Its greener to keep a older car on the road (to a certain extent) then make a new one!
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richc
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Originally posted by Ren
IMO for 500 miles a year, I'd just buy the biggest size engine I could afford.
Id get like a 1998 bmw 750i Would probably put £100 in it for the whole year 
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DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by Neo
Fully aware about servicing, just so much is needed to be done to the nissan it just doesnt seem worth spending a couple of grand on it to make it spank again when if he spends a small amount more he can just get something new.
Yeah it will ruin the market i agree, i have a 58 plate and i'm sure this will have brought the resale value down massively.
I understand why they call it a "green" scheme, as new cars are more efficient on the whole as well as producing less harmful gases.
So who will you be voting for then Dizzy ?
I cant see a 50k car needing a couple of grand spending on it to keep it going. He would be better off spending 4k on a used vectra or mondeo... hell even 5k on a newish A4 but all out on a brand new car thats going to loose all of its value in the first 5 years of ownership is just lunacy in todays climate.
You do realise that it takes roughly 85,000 miles worth of fuel energy to just get a brand new car from raw materials onto the dealership forcourt dont you, and that 70% of the pollution a car produces in its lifetime is actually created whilst its on the factorys production line. Coupled with the fact that most 10 year old cars have the same, if not better mpg figures than some of todays cars... and exhaust gasses only make up 7% of harmful gasses in our atmosphere so in reality there is nothing green about the scrappage scheme for new cars at all. The scheme also doesnt limit you to 'green' only cars, so one could scrap a 1.0 corsa and be out in a super polluting range rover V8 sport the next day.
If anything, its actually going to cause more pollution due to the extra sales of the cars and the recycling of the old car materials. Its purely a masquerade of bailing out the car firms using this 'green' cancer thats gripped the world as a screen to hide the real reasons behind.
I wont be voting, conservatives are going to be a better short haul bet on helping our country but some of their schemes and policies are just as bad as labours. No im planning to move away from this country as i hate the place, hopefully i wont be around here long enough to see britain fall into a 3rd world recession.
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pow
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For you mum, fair play, trade the Nissan in as it's worth toss all now and get a new Kia Picanto or the such with a massive warrentee, 5 years of worry free motoring, one service a year.
For your Dad, sell the Corsa privately (worth far more) and get something slightly older that he wants, used BMW or Audi.
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John
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The corsa isn't worth more than 2k privately.
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DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by John
The corsa isn't worth more than 2k privately.
A 30k corsa would be worth near that, and if you think he could buy a nice used A4 for about 5k as opposed to a wanky new kia for 8k hes getting the better deal
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Neo
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Corsa is worth around £400 i reckon, its a good example of flame red, however needs to be looked at, would be a perfect shell for a conversion, interior is nothing special. However when 2k is up for it, and tbf its not as if my old man is going to even think about finance, whats to loose ?
Dizzy, the primera really isnt a 50k car It does need a decent amount spent on it, new tyres all round, full service, front bumper, rear bumper, Windscreen, Battery etc...and trade in value is around £400 (tried end of last year).
So kia rio a good bet for replacement of the corsa
Maybe a Skoda Fabia to replace the nissan
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Neo
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by John
The corsa isn't worth more than 2k privately.
A 30k corsa would be worth near that, and if you think he could buy a nice used A4 for about 5k as opposed to a wanky new kia for 8k hes getting the better deal
Corsa is Mums, she wants something that isn't too much bigger, has a big enough boot for a push chair and that is all. An a4 is far too big.
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John
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by John
The corsa isn't worth more than 2k privately.
A 30k corsa would be worth near that
On what planet?
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John
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Your mum and dad sound like they want new cars.
They will keep them until they die and don't sound too bothered about badges.
Over the life of the cars they'll cost very little per year and with 7 year warrantys will need nothing but servicing.
Doesn't sound that bad an idea.
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DaveyLC
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RIP the second had car market 
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Neo
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Originally posted by John
Your mum and dad sound like they want new cars.
They will keep them until they die and don't sound too bothered about badges.
Over the life of the cars they'll cost very little per year and with 7 year warrantys will need nothing but servicing.
Doesn't sound that bad an idea.
Ta
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