Ian
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History won't preclude major failure. You could have big bills whether it's never been back to the dealer since the day it was collected or whether there's a stack of receipts for labour on light bulbs. It's your decision but if the car is fairly rare and you've been looking for a while then you may have to settle for one that you need to budget for the big jobs on and see what happens.
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Butler
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Just looked at the HPI, its had 2 previous owners, the first sold it within 4 months, the guys at my brothers work (chrysler and jeep garage) reckon it could have been a demo car, from then on the last owner had the car for 5 years.
People assume there are alot of these cars about, the cups are quite hard to get hold of though.
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3i_gaz
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Originally posted by fir3vip3r
just remember it may be harder to sell on with no history as well
the arse has fell out of 172 and 182's anyways, its not as if the resale calue on them is high to begin with.
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Fad
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Originally posted by Butler
Just looked at the HPI, its had 2 previous owners, the first sold it within 4 months, the guys at my brothers work (chrysler and jeep garage) reckon it could have been a demo car, from then on the last owner had the car for 5 years.
People assume there are alot of these cars about, the cups are quite hard to get hold of though.
Walk away Cambelt should of been done last year and you have to factor that into the price.
Further to that I wouldn't trust them to do the belt as a number of Clios which have had belts done by non specialists/back steet garages often turn up at RR days making less poewer as they never get timed up properly. Also they forget to replace the aux tensioners which are prone to failing!
You say there are no cups out there a few months ago the market was flooded with them!
Shame you missed the 182 on Cliosport that got sold for 2.5k with 46k miles just beacuse it had its front bumper stolen and was delared sorn!
Also my advice would be to go see a handfull and make sure you drive each one to get a feel for what you should be buying.
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Andrew
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I'd be put off with no service history or receipts. Saying that, i checked the coolant cover on the pug before taking it up the motorway and found it to be loose. This was just after pug serviced it.. They don't always get it right and forget things.
You're going to have to reflect your decision with price in mind.
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John
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Originally posted by Fad
Walk away Cambelt should of been done last year and you have to factor that into the price.
Although you should definitely factor a cambelt change into any price, don't be put off because it's not done, the scaremongering is unbelievable.
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Fad
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John if you think spending an extra 400-500 is insignificant you need your head testing.
Think about it this was as a % of the car's value its pretty important IMO
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Ian
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So do it late - it's fine until it fails. There's no such thing as a worn cambelt. They either synchronise the valves and pistons or they don't!
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John
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Fad, I said factor it into the price you pay, I didn't say don't get it done, I said don't be put off because it hasn't been.
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Whittie
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Last car I bought with no history, everything you could possibly imagine went wrong. Lesson Learnt.
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John
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I wouldn't put that down to just no history, although that's a big indicator.
You can normally, although by no means not always, tell what kind of life the car has had if you know what you're looking for.
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Butler
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I guess il give it a miss, they do crop up with fsh the most of them. I guess its not that they arent about fad, its just that most of them are on the other side of the country, and the ones that arent are stupidly modified.
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Fad
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I'd broaden your search to include FF models and bag a minter loads of bargains out there.
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Jay
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Speaking from experience, I wouldnt touch it myself, I bought one with only a small amount of history and it wasn't the best example, and it looked spotless, interior was a bit shabby but then it was a 2001 model (facelift) it only had 50k on the clocks. I personally would only ever buy another one if it was a decent example, I think if they havent been properly looked after their dogs!
Edit: I sold mine on for £2.5k
[Edited on 15-04-2009 by JayM]
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Butler
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Originally posted by Fad
I'd broaden your search to include FF models and bag a minter loads of bargains out there.
and risk going slower than you round the ring?  get out!
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Fad
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Cups are not faster fact  They also have a higher fatality rate at the ring 
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Butler
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Cups are not faster fact They also have a higher fatality rate at the ring
Similiar power in a lighter car with a wider track??...
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Graham88
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Originally posted by Ian
So do it late - it's fine until it fails. There's no such thing as a worn cambelt. They either synchronise the valves and pistons or they don't!
Having had a cambelt strip the teeth on me, I wouldn't recommend leaving it late!
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Fad
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quote:
Originally posted by Butler
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Originally posted by Fad
Cups are not faster fact They also have a higher fatality rate at the ring
Similiar power in a lighter car with a wider track??...
Only the 182 with Cup packs (like mine) run different geometry to the other models.
Both cups and FF 172s run 54mm spacing and the cups run a lower ET38 Turinis.
Doesnt matter though as you have more choice when it comes to suspension with a 54mm spaced car such as the cup and ff models
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cheater
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Cut and shut? Why would there be a reason to have NO service history?
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John
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Millions of reasons, main one being just losing the service book.
You shouldn't be going to look at cars yourself if you can't tell a cut and shut or one that's been written off for a crash.
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cheater
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Lol i was joking when i said cut and shut!
Losing the service book is one thing, but what about all the other invoices and receipts etc Renault or whoever would have given. They cant all be lost!
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Ash_EP3
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it's one of the biggest factors when selling/buying a car tbh
History, Condition and mileage
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davcohen
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History really helps but with or without it the car itself may still be a dog
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Butler
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Ive put down a deposit on one with FSH today 
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