Ojc
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Car wash? 
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Daimo B
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come on, you don't know his situation. could be a student.
Not everyone becomes nuclear technicians or pilots remember.
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John
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He lays out his situation quite clearly in the first post.
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Daimo B
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He does indeed, i couldn't remember that.
Still, laughing is a little lame.
Whats up John, no sarcy comment comeback from the other comment about stuff not being real???? Thats unlike you, theres always a little dig somewhere to read 
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Ant
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Doesn't matter what he thinks or cares about.
The law is there, and if appropriate procedures are not followed, he can be fined.
I'd look into employment laws more.
Ant, maybe YOU should do some reading about employment law then if you think that way
Your rights after one year:
You are entitled to claim unfair dismissal if your employer sacks you without a
good reason or without allowing you to go through a proper dismissal procedure.
You are also entitled to written reasons for dismissal from your employer.
you are however entitled to 1 weeks notice.
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John
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You have no concept of the real world if you think the local gangster/immigrant car wash cares about employment law, I don't even have to get a dig in.
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by Ant
Your rights after one year:
You are entitled to claim unfair dismissal if your employer sacks you without a
good reason or without allowing you to go through a proper dismissal procedure.
You are also entitled to written reasons for dismissal from your employer.
you are however entitled to 1 weeks notice.
That doesn't apply after 1 year. It applies straight away.
That was the law from a few years ago im sure. I can re-confirm the exact law if anyone wants. Misses has to know full employment laws for her job so im always updated with the new regulations.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by John
You have no concept of the real world if you think the local gangster/immigrant car wash cares about employment law, I don't even have to get a dig in.
And you must be a little ignorent to text written..
It does not matter what the business owner thinks. The laws are there.
If its a cover for a background operation, then its even more reason to shop them.
Doesn't matter if its a top investment bank or the local car-washing service.
I haven't put MY opinion, i've put information.
Oh, sorry, you missed that bit.....
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Ant
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ok
the right to claim compensation if unfairly dismissed. In most cases you will have to have worked for one year to be able to claim unfair dismissal
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Daimo B
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Yeah, i've just read that too So we're both right. Some cases apply to a years employment, other situations don't.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/RedundancyAndLeavingYourJob/Dismissal/DG_10026692
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Daimo B
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Also Tom.....
"Dismissal without notice is only allowed for 'gross misconduct', which means a situation serious enough to dismiss you without first giving a warning (such as theft, fraud or violence). An employer should always investigate the circumstance before dismissing - even in possible gross misconduct cases."
Does not matter what the company trades in unlike some un-fact filled opinions as posted by some in this post.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by VXR]
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Ant
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yes the other situation would usually be if you are pregnant. No tribunal in the land would give a case like this the time of day.
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Daimo B
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A sacking for being 2 minutes late.
I thin he's got a case. Depends as he hasn't stated how long employement there has been. About 2-3 months at a guess from info written.
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Ant
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im not saying it is right, and feel sorry for him, but he has no rights to cover him. Even if the car wash did breach procedure ie. non investigation etc in my experience although constitutes unfair dismissal would result in small award normally a weeks wages which i have already said h is entitled to anyway.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by Ant]
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Daimo B
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Yeah but i'd do it out of principle
a) cos he sacked me for being 2 min late (if this was me)
b) cos most car washes are a front for something else
c) cos the bloke sounds like a badger
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Carl
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
I know of someone who got caught stealing from the till by the owner, he actually saw her do it.
He sacked her on the spot.
He got taken to a tribunial and fined £8000 because HE didn't follow the law. Instead of Suspending her without pay, HE had to pay a fine, and she got off scott free.
Employment laws cover our employees asses so much its nearly a joke on the poor companies who are simply trying to make a living.
Labour, again. Blame them.
But also thank them for the security it gives you in your jobs!!!!!
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"Also Tom.....
"Dismissal without notice is only allowed for 'gross misconduct', which means a situation serious enough to dismiss you without first giving a warning (such as theft, fraud or violence). An employer should always investigate the circumstance before dismissing - even in possible gross misconduct cases."
Does not matter what the company trades in unlike some un-fact filled opinions as posted by some in this post.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by VXR] "
Equals a very big contradiction from the Corsasport resident HR Guru.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by Carl]
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Matt L
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I cant find the contradiction  care to make the contradiction bit bold for me
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Carl
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
I cant find the contradiction care to make the contradiction bit bold for me
I quoted the wrong post, 2 secs!
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Matt L
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I still dont see whats contradicting
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by Carl
quote:
Originally posted by VXR
I know of someone who got caught stealing from the till by the owner, he actually saw her do it.
He sacked her on the spot.
He got taken to a tribunial and fined £8000 because HE didn't follow the law. Instead of Suspending her without pay, HE had to pay a fine, and she got off scott free.
Employment laws cover our employees asses so much its nearly a joke on the poor companies who are simply trying to make a living.
Labour, again. Blame them.
But also thank them for the security it gives you in your jobs!!!!!
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"Also Tom.....
"Dismissal without notice is only allowed for 'gross misconduct', which means a situation serious enough to dismiss you without first giving a warning (such as theft, fraud or violence). An employer should always investigate the circumstance before dismissing - even in possible gross misconduct cases."
Does not matter what the company trades in unlike some un-fact filled opinions as posted by some in this post.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by VXR] "
Equals a very big contradiction from the Corsasport resident HR Guru.
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by Carl]
How?????
He sacked someone on the spot. He should have suspended them as per the law.
He didn't, and got taken to industrial tribunial...
I've already stated I was in-correct about other statements which we've already discussed...????
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Ant
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the tribunal would have found that even if the proper process have been followed it would have still resulted in dismissal, so why award 8k iv never ever seen that happen as said before in my experience if process is not followed it usually a weeks pay. if process not followed and it was wrongful dismissal then that's another story.
its not law to suspend someone its best practise, you would then investigate as you saw fit, this allows a judgement to be made and the employer can then prove they have followed a fair process if it goes to a tribunal.
some companies choose to suspend immediately to reduce risk to the business in this case would you really want someone you had seen stealing working on your till? If the employer so wants he could require them to continue there duties until the point where they are dismissed
[Edited on 27-03-2009 by Ant]
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--DAN--
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Daimo is correct in terms of how you can't just sack somebody on the spot. I have been trying for ages, in some cases years, to get rid of a number of lazy staff who don't turn in for weeks on end then just walk back in You have to go through so many stages of discipline nowadays it is almost impossible to sack them unless there has been gross misconduct.
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Ojc
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quote:
Originally posted by --DAN--
Daimo is correct in terms of how you can't just sack somebody on the spot. I have been trying for ages, in some cases years, to get rid of a number of lazy staff who don't turn in for weeks on end then just walk back in You have to go through so many stages of discipline nowadays it is almost impossible to sack them unless there has been gross misconduct.
Wicked.
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--DAN--
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Colin
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Unlucky mate, id just let it go though. Maybe this is the push you needed to get back into some sort of electrical work. Hope it works out 
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