alan-g-w
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Paul, not sure just the ones on the track that day. Was a genuine question as well.
And tbh I'd have thought an N/A VX would beat a VXR round a track. Having had no real experience of either.
[Edited on 10-02-2009 by alan-g-w]
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Ian W
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Originally posted by mattk
is speed everything thought
Nice new comfy clean astra vs an old rattly corsa with the engine out of a caviler in it 
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sampayne21
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And you must be a god round sidcup with all the chavvy homies bombing round with lexarse lights and 1.0 engines with cherry bomb exhausts in their corsas (you must know what i mean  )
yes i know what you mean, i have most likely fitted there radio's and subs at work 
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Daimo B
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Daimo, are you saying that a VXR is as fast as a VX220 round a track? Or just that it can catch up on them on long straights.
Faster in a straight line than a VX220 comfortably above 100mph.
From 0, up to 100mph, the 220 would have it.
From 50-120, the VXR would have it as speeds got higher.
tbh, I had NO problems with any VX220 NAs on track. Whilst the drivers were not what i'd call "high class", they really were quite slow. Slow bends i'd loose out on the exit, thats FWD and 1400kg vs RWD and sub 1 tonne for you. But within a hundre metres we'd be flying past.
2 high class drivers, well, on paper the VX220 NA should be quicker, but it would totally depend on the race track. Straight lengths, high/low speed corners etc....
[Edited on 10-02-2009 by VXR]
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mwg
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Originally posted by DaNnY_LaD
Ive eaten a phase 2 astra Nurb Edition in my ibiza....
Got me off the line but 2nd gear on boost it was game over....
you are gonna have some funky shits from that!
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alan-g-w
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I'd have thought a VX would be hands down quicker, no matter which version - purely down to he fact they handle like an Elise.
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Graham88
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Originally posted by Ian W
quote:
Originally posted by mattk
is speed everything thought
Nice new comfy clean astra vs an old rattly corsa with the engine out of a caviler in it
Spot on 
VXR all day long.
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Nick-S
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by GSi_16v
A 250bhp let corsa will eat a vxr all day everyday.
straight line maybe? on track debatable?
sory i ment stright line, nothing more.
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by alan-g-w
Paul, not sure just the ones on the track that day. Was a genuine question as well.
And tbh I'd have thought an N/A VX would beat a VXR round a track. Having had no real experience of either.
[Edited on 10-02-2009 by alan-g-w]
definately not mate, I've beaten a n/a vx220 round tracks in a shitty gti with not much power, a Astra VXR would beat one definately if driven properly.
It's like the s1 elise. 'Great handling car' but not that much power and therefore will get beaten by something like a Astra VXR properly.
People believe too much on pub facts / what they hear on top gear / old wives tales and not enough on real life experience.
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Nick-S
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Here's a perfect example...
Caterham (light weight, RWD, good handling)
vs
Megan R26R ... FWD
Power to weight would suggest it should be fairly equal and people would believe the RWD would win as 'surely' it's a better handling car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAZN_bBOjY
Bam.
useing a perverty spec 7 against a top spec megan tho......
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by GSi_16v
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Here's a perfect example...
Caterham (light weight, RWD, good handling)
vs
Megan R26R ... FWD
Power to weight would suggest it should be fairly equal and people would believe the RWD would win as 'surely' it's a better handling car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAZN_bBOjY
Bam.
useing a perverty spec 7 against a top spec megan tho......
true but power to weight would say they would be even, with people 'believing' the RWD would be superior.
of course a caterham 500 would beat the megan.
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Nick-S
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So would every other one up from the poverty one, R300, r400 ect ect
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Paul_J
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^^ Unsurprisingly really?
That's like saying any car with 300 bhp / tonne would beat a car with only 180ish per tonne?
Simple maths really.
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Wrighty
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Originally posted by GSi_16v
A 250bhp let corsa will eat a vxr all day everyday.
surly a standard let in a corsa would beat a vxr? why would a corsa more power then a vxr to beat it when its smaller?
or are LET corsas not as fast as people make out?
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Nick-S
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Originally posted by Wrighty
quote:
Originally posted by GSi_16v
A 250bhp let corsa will eat a vxr all day everyday.
surly a standard let in a corsa would beat a vxr? why would a corsa more power then a vxr to beat it when its smaller?
or are LET corsas not as fast as people make out?
exactly hence y i put it woule eat it. stright lines of corse
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Nick-S
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Originally posted by Paul_J
^^ Unsurprisingly really?
That's like saying any car with 300 bhp / tonne would beat a car with only 180ish per tonne?
Simple maths really.
yer. but haveing said that, i think id have more fun in the poverty spec caterham
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Originally posted by VXR
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in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
No its not
the VX220 is as areodynamic as a brick. It is NOT faster than a VXR im afraid. Had enough plays with a VX220 and VXR track day down revvit straight. VX220's (Turbo) got out the corners much much faster. By the end of the straights (before braking zones for them) I was sat right up their asses again, show on videos on my youtube chasing 220's.
And i've already said, weight does not mean anything at higher speeds. All about power and areodynamics.
VX220 = Brick + LESS power than a VXR (by 40bhp odd).
VXR = More areodynamic, more power = higher top speed, and in gear speeds at top end.
Having a race with 1 VXR, isn't the same as having a race against about 15 of the buggers over one day, and loosing them out of the bends, and catching them up again. The NA 220's, not even worth considering in terms of speeds agains the VXR.
The VX220 really isn't that fast at 100 odd speeds. The way your describing it is as if he caught up, you put your foot down and pulled away.
Not gonna happen, at all sorry.
And a VXR with Unleaded would be lucky to make 220bhp.
fair enough i will have to take your word for it then! i was just judging on this one that i had a play with i was not impressed with the vxr!
its a little like imprezzas etc, they are fast but they weigh similar to vxr, me and a friend with imprezza, 350hp went out for a drive and on numerious occasions ON STRAIGHT road there was nothing in it between imprezza and stripped out can with 280hp! meaning that due to less weight making the van as fast!
took the same lad out in vx220 which is lighter still and he openly admited that there would be no competition in the vx against his imprezza!
i am just trying to make the point that the corsa has weight on its side so needs little power to make fast, and u need more power to make the vxr fast due to its weight!
anyway we are really getting totally off the topic her!
so back to topic, i think VXR is beta car obvioulsy and easier to drive fast in all conditions but if u want the thrill of driving then the corsa i feel would be more fun!
when i had the van with 200hp was really drivable and could drive it hard all the time, now its 280hp its far faster and u have to respect it more and drive accordingly, but u get that feeling that scares u a little cos its feels little to fast for a mk 4 astra van!
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